Bishop G E Patterson - fussing thread (see other thread for nice things)

[Steve Epley]

I attended a funeral last week the preacher conducting the funeral said he did not know the deceased and the man never attended anyone's church. His family actually never remember him every going to church. But his preacher calling the man by his first name put the man inside the pearly gates and I tought he was going to make God vacate the throne and give it to this man. The sad thing is death settles nothing. A man cannot be a false prophet and die and become the apostle of the Lamb. It is truly sad for any man to die without obeying and preaching the gospel. Instead preaching a subsitute gospel that decieved instead of saving. Was David crude in saying "Abner died as a fool dieth?" Was Jesus crude in saying "It was better this man was never born?" We preach our own funerals by what we live and believe.

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Sad he died lost.

My comment was not intended to be ugly if it came across that way I apologize I was just stating a fact the man had not obeyed the message that saves neither did he preach the message that saves. And I am sorry for anyone who dies lost. No nastiness meant if it came across that way I am sorry. But it is a fact all who die that have not obeyed Acts 2:38 is lost. Death fixes nothing that is not fixed in life. Life is for fixing not death. Death only settles the matter.

Bishop Patterson became my Pastor when I was 16 years old. He left the Church of God in Christ and had an independent ministry for 11 years. He told me many times that he had been baptized in the name of Jesus and he even preached at the National Convention of the PAW and the title of his message was JESUS ONLY! He was a man filled with the Holy Ghost. I do know that in our independent days - I heard him baptize in the Name of Jesus. You can argue this from daylight to midnight - but I heard him do it.

Did Pastor Epley or any of the rest of you hear what PETER or any other Apostle said when they baptized? Is there any account anywhere of the EXACT WORDS they said??? NOOOOOOOOOO There is NOT! And friends - that is one reason you "Apostolic" people can't even agree your selves and you fight and fuss with each other over every little issue. You are ISSUE oriented preachers. You have to be right to FEEL good about your selves and you have to ........ to hell everybody that is not just like you!

PLEASE SHOW ME THE EXACT WORDS THAT ANY APOSTLE USED IN BAPTISM! SHOW ME THE QUOTE!

I am a ministry son of G. E. Patterson and I know what he was and what he stood for. He was a man of God. He was an Apostle of Jesus Christ. Nothing you can say or do can change that.

It amazes me that I rebuked and my post was deleted and someone wrote - NAME CALLING AND PREACHER BASHING on the post because I said that someone was a liar - which was a FACT!

Elder Epley can get on here and can post that Bishop G. E. Patterson "died lost" and no rebuke whatsoever! AMAZING!

I have really thought long and hard about even posting this as I am sick of judgmental people that want to put in hell everybody that is not their brand of Pentecost.
This forum gets crazier every day. Now go ahead and have at it and bash me for having great respect and honor for one of the greatest men that has ever preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

[The Dean]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Bishop Patterson became my Pastor when I was 16 years old. He left the Church of God in Christ and had an independent ministry for 11 years. He told me many times that he had been baptized in the name of Jesus and he even preached at the National Convention of the PAW and the title of his message was JESUS ONLY! He was a man filled with the Holy Ghost. I do know that in our independent days - I heard him baptize in the Name of Jesus. You can argue this from daylight to midnight - but I heard him do it.

Did Pastor Epley or any of the rest of you hear what PETER or any other Apostle said when they baptized? Is there any account anywhere of the EXACT WORDS they said??? NOOOOOOOOOO There is NOT! And friends - that is one reason you "Apostolic" people can't even agree your selves and you fight and fuss with each other over every little issue. You are ISSUE oriented preachers. You have to be right to FEEL good about your selves and you have to ........ to hell everybody that is not just like you!

PLEASE SHOW ME THE EXACT WORDS THAT ANY APOSTLE USED IN BAPTISM! SHOW ME THE QUOTE!

I am a ministry son of G. E. Patterson and I know what he was and what he stood for. He was a man of God. He was an Apostle of Jesus Christ. Nothing you can say or do can change that.

It amazes me that I rebuked and my post was deleted and someone wrote - NAME CALLING AND PREACHER BASHING on the post because I said that someone was a liar - which was a FACT!

Elder Epley can get on here and can post that Bishop G. E. Patterson "died lost" and no rebuke whatsoever! AMAZING!

I have really thought long and hard about even posting this as I am sick of judgmental people that want to put in hell everybody that is not their brand of Pentecost.
This forum gets crazier every day. Now go ahead and have at it and bash me for having great respect and honor for one of the greatest men that has ever preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

My first querstion would focus on the very real dilemma that he would be in if he truly believed in being baptized in Jesus Name and being filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. How can you be the presiding Bishop of a false doctrine group and not feel compelled to bring them greater revelation?

My observation through time has been that if a man was truly Apostolic then Apostolic doctrine is going to be an issue. The great command of the Apostle was simple: "Take heed to yourselves and to the doctrine." There could be no confusion in the following words that said, basically, that in doing so you save yourself and them that hear you.

He was in a position to be heard by many and yet, if he was in a position to bring greater revelation to a large organization, we see no signs of it. It is not my intent to berate a deceased man or take a cheap shot at your Pastor. However, while it seems contrary to your opinion, if the doctrine isn't worth standing for then nothing else matters. If it's not an issue then nothing else remotely qualifies.

Again, Apostolic doctrine is an issue to any real Apostolic. That, coincidentally, is what gives Bro. Epley much credibility in spite of his oft biting words. I may not agree with the bluntness of his statement but he remains a respected poster because his stance on doctrine is unwavering.

[ThePastorsCoach]

Originally Posted by The Dean

My first querstion would focus on the very real dilemma that he would be in if he truly believed in being baptized in Jesus Name and being filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues. How can you be the presiding Bishop of a false doctrine group and not feel compelled to bring them greater revelation?

My observation through time has been that if a man was truly Apostolic then Apostolic doctrine is going to be an issue. The great command of the Apostle was simple: "Take heed to yourselves and to the doctrine." There could be no confusion in the following words that said, basically, that in doing so you save yourself and them that hear you.

He was in a position to be heard by many and yet, if he was in a position to bring greater revelation to a large organization, we see no signs of it. It is not my intent to berate a deceased man or take a cheap shot at your Pastor. However, while it seems contrary to your opinion, if the doctrine isn't worth standing for then nothing else matters. If it's not an issue then nothing else remotely qualifies.

Again, Apostolic doctrine is an issue to any real Apostolic. That, coincidentally, is what gives Bro. Epley much credibility in spite of his oft biting words. I may not agree with the bluntness of his statement but he remains a respected poster because his stance on doctrine is unwavering.

You know - there are so many different BRANDS of Apostolics and you know that. I guess if you own this you can define what a "real Apostolic" is the same as CC1 can or Elder Epley can. The fact of the matter is there is hardly TWO on here that can totally agree 100% on ANYTHING!

You love to judge others - judge your own selves and let God judge the others. Yes - I do know the COGIC is a Trinitarian organization and YES I continue to preach in it and everyone I have ever baptized in it - I baptized in the Name of Jesus. But still - that is NEVER ENOUGH with you guys - It NEVER BECOMES ENOUGH to be saved!
Let's take the stupid BORAT deal - Did they have BORAT pray a prayer of repentance? NO! Did they sit him down and explain that if you want to be saved you must repent and turn from your sin and pray with him that he would REPENT???? NO - They had one thing on their minds - getting him to speak in tongues. That was not an isolated case. In UPC and Apostolic Camp meetings across America - and in altars in their churches - its SPEAK IN TONGUES. Yes - I have spoke in tongues since I was 5 years old - did that save me - NO - I had to be baptized in Jesus Name or to some that was not enough because It was not in their church or their tank. IT IS NEVER ENOUGH and you guys know it. You cannot even agree among your APOSTOLIC selves as to EXACTLY what to say. Some have told me they say something different every time. Oh, But we always "include" the name of Jesus - how sweet! Give me a break - When is the last time you went to a conference and they cast devils out, got people up out of wheel chairs and busted canes and crutches and commanded the crippled to walk. That my friend is Apostolic!
I hesitate to say I am finished with this forum - but It sickens me to see the childishness of grown men that put burdens and yokes on people that they are not even willing to bear past their own city limits. Men that preach against TV and stay up all night watching them in hotels. Porn addicts, closet homosexuals and abusers of themselves with mankind. I could call names and officials - but what good would it do - it would get ME BANNED!

GO ahead and say Bishop Patterson "died lost" but don't say anything about raving maniac that is a hater of God's people and a letter writer that says the UPC is the Great Whore! Oh yeah - HE is Apostolic! Yeah - Right! If that is "Apostolic" we are all in trouble and the whole world is going to Hell!
As I have said many times when teaching my young ministers - SHUT UP AND PREACH! I don't want to hear your ideas and opinions and what Bishop Patterson or somebody else should have done - who died and made YOU God!
Why don't you do something?

Glad to get this off my chest! And you wonder why we leave you guys and don't want to have anything to do with you??????????????

[CC1]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

You know - there are so many different BRANDS of Apostolics and you know that. I guess if you own this you can define what a "real Apostolic" is the same as CC1 can or Elder Epley can.

Yeah, but my definition is the RIGHT one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

You know - there are so many different BRANDS of Apostolics and you know that. I guess if you own this you can define what a "real Apostolic" is the same as CC1 can or Elder Epley can. The fact of the matter is there is hardly TWO on here that can totally agree 100% on ANYTHING!

You love to judge others - judge your own selves and let God judge the others. Yes - I do know the COGIC is a Trinitarian organization and YES I continue to preach in it and everyone I have ever baptized in it - I baptized in the Name of Jesus. But still - that is NEVER ENOUGH with you guys - It NEVER BECOMES ENOUGH to be saved!
Let's take the stupid BORAT deal - Did they have BORAT pray a prayer of repentance? NO! Did they sit him down and explain that if you want to be saved you must repent and turn from your sin and pray with him that he would REPENT???? NO - They had one thing on their minds - getting him to speak in tongues. That was not an isolated case. In UPC and Apostolic Camp meetings across America - and in altars in their churches - its SPEAK IN TONGUES. Yes - I have spoke in tongues since I was 5 years old - did that save me - NO - I had to be baptized in Jesus Name or to some that was not enough because It was not in their church or their tank. IT IS NEVER ENOUGH and you guys know it. You cannot even agree among your APOSTOLIC selves as to EXACTLY what to say. Some have told me they say something different every time. Oh, But we always "include" the name of Jesus - how sweet! Give me a break - When is the last time you went to a conference and they cast devils out, got people up out of wheel chairs and busted canes and crutches and commanded the crippled to walk. That my friend is Apostolic!
I hesitate to say I am finished with this forum - but It sickens me to see the childishness of grown men that put burdens and yokes on people that they are not even willing to bear past their own city limits. Men that preach against TV and stay up all night watching them in hotels. Porn addicts, closet homosexuals and abusers of themselves with mankind. I could call names and officials - but what good would it do - it would get ME BANNED!

GO ahead and say Bishop Patterson "died lost" but don't say anything about raving maniac that is a hater of God's people and a letter writer that says the UPC is the Great Whore! Oh yeah - HE is Apostolic! Yeah - Right! If that is "Apostolic" we are all in trouble and the whole world is going to Hell!
As I have said many times when teaching my young ministers - SHUT UP AND PREACH! I don't want to hear your ideas and opinions and what Bishop Patterson or somebody else should have done - who died and made YOU God!
Why don't you do something?

Glad to get this off my chest! And you wonder why we leave you guys and don't want to have anything to do with you??????????????

HEy Hey...I happen to think you and I have a GREAT realtionship.....

[NLYP]

Dear Bishop Type Mylanta Dude! (LOL You know I love you!)
You said, and I quote,
"Epely says that G. E. Patterson dies last and he gets NO rebuke...AMAZING"!

I would like to point out two things.
#1
Below is my rebuke of him...I guess you misse that.

#2
Good thing Admin edited what I REALLY said to HIM! Just ignore him....
Fact is If he was baptized in Jesus Name and he had the Holy Ghost...Most folks would do well to shut up, back off and let GOD do his thing!

Here is what I said.

"EPELY!
That was low...I get so tired of you! Your post can be rude, judgemental and sometimes downright stupid!
What kind of man of God says those things??????

UGH! whatever....Im outta here.

PS....SO glad you are not God and dont know the heart of a man!

You are suposed to love people........Get a grip, get a life and while your at it get some altar time!"

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by NLYP

Dear Bishop Type Mylanta Dude! (LOL You know I love you!)
You said, and I quote,
"Epely says that G. E. Patterson dies last and he gets NO rebuke...AMAZING"!

I would like to point out two things.
#1
Below is my rebuke of him...I guess you misse that.

#2
Good thing Admin edited what I REALLY said to HIM! Just ignore him....
Fact is If he was baptized in Jesus Name and he had the Holy Ghost...Most folks would do well to shut up, back off and let GOD do his thing!

Here is what I said.

"EPELY!
That was low...I get so tired of you! Your post can be rude, judgemental and sometimes downright stupid!
What kind of man of God says those things??????

UGH! whatever....Im outta here.

PS....SO glad you are not God and dont know the heart of a man!

You are suposed to love people........Get a grip, get a life and while your at it get some altar time!"

Whoa, bro!

[rrford]

Originally Posted by NLYP

Dear Bishop Type Mylanta Dude! (LOL You know I love you!)
You said, and I quote,
"Epely says that G. E. Patterson dies last and he gets NO rebuke...AMAZING"!

I would like to point out two things.
#1
Below is my rebuke of him...I guess you misse that.

#2
Good thing Admin edited what I REALLY said to HIM! Just ignore him....
Fact is If he was baptized in Jesus Name and he had the Holy Ghost...Most folks would do well to shut up, back off and let GOD do his thing!

Here is what I said.

"EPELY!
That was low...I get so tired of you! Your post can be rude, judgemental and sometimes downright stupid!
What kind of man of God says those things??????

UGH! whatever....Im outta here.

PS....SO glad you are not God and dont know the heart of a man!

You are suposed to love people........Get a grip, get a life and while your at it get some altar time!"

This post was out of line yesterday. It is even more out of line today.

[NLYP]

Originally Posted by rrford

This post was out of line yesterday. It is even more out of line today.

No its not...ADMIN edited it...I quoted as they left it