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Old 05-29-2008, 06:34 PM
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Re: What really happened at Pentecost?

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Bro. Sam,, it's good to know I am not the only one who holds the minority view... I believe as well that many will be saved without the baptism of the Holy Ghost...However, I believe they will have to endure tribulation to be tried by fire whether their works be of God or not....
We've got a variety of views here on the forum.
The term "Apostolic" is pretty broad here (at least to some)
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:35 PM
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What was the reason for their Drunken behavior??


Seeing that Peter pointed that out?

These men are NOT drunk as ye supposed?...

Seems to me there was something going on...
RevRandy,,, we have discussed it over and over

Lets try again.... the DRUNKEN had NOTHING to do with how they were acting.. reading scripture SLOWLY we see that the DRUNKEN was brought up as a possible reason they had broken the language barrier... scripture says

How do all of these men speak these languages..... not whats got them people acting crazy and shouting and running.... no,, it was because of the languages being spoken.. the the word NEW WINE was ever brought up.. and then Peter hearing them call this supernatual languages possibly NEW WINE.. he corrected them publically and said

These are NOT DRUNK ---- not because of how they were acting but because of the languages they were speaking
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We've got a variety of views here on the forum.
The term "Apostolic" is pretty broad here (at least to some)
Unfortunately some views are not as welcome as others
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Re: What really happened at Pentecost?

So what's the point?
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:37 PM
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Re: What really happened at Pentecost?

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some believe that Pentecost was the second coming of Jesus

that He returned in clouds of witnesses as the Comforter or Holy Spirit.
I entertained that belief for a time until I read letters that were written after Pentecost that talked about Him coming back in a future sense.
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So what's the point?
The point is.. if you take away the Myth of the Day of Pentecost and its loud, demonstrative shouting and speaking in tongues and acting drunk... you take away the very identity of the pentecostal movement and their scriptural evidence for how they act
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I entertained that belief for a time until I read letters that were written after Pentecost that talked about Him coming back in a future sense.
Rico.. I've not heard that doctrine,,, does it have a name,, would like to research it.. thanks
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Old 05-29-2008, 06:41 PM
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Bro. Sam,, it's good to know I am not the only one who holds the minority view... I believe as well that many will be saved without the baptism of the Holy Ghost...However, I believe they will have to endure tribulation to be tried by fire whether their works be of God or not....
The "minority view" here is that a person is justified/saved/regenerated at repentance and then that is (or at least should be) followed up by water baptism and Spirit baptism. This was how it was taught by the early Apostolic/Pentecostal pioneers and was later held as a minority opinion when the UPC was formed in 1945.

Here we use terms like "PCI" or "one-stepper" and "PAJC" or "three-stepper" to designate the differences between those who believe in salvation at repentance and those who believe salvation does not happen until after repentance, water baptism, and Spirit baptism. If you're around for a while you'll see arguments back and forth on that. After we get done arguing and getting mad and insulting each other and calling names we just continue on as "one-steppers" and "three-steppers" until the subject comes up again.
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The point is.. if you take away the Myth of the Day of Pentecost and its loud, demonstrative shouting and speaking in tongues and acting drunk... you take away the very identity of the pentecostal movement and their scriptural evidence for how they act
What's wrong with Worship and Praise?

Folks were doing this long before the Day of Pentecost.....
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The "minority view" here is that a person is justified/saved/regenerated at repentance and then that is (or at least should be) followed up by water baptism and Spirit baptism. This was how it was taught by the early Apostolic/Pentecostal pioneers and was later held as a minority opinion when the UPC was formed in 1945.

Here we use terms like "PCI" or "one-stepper" and "PAJC" or "three-stepper" to designate the differences between those who believe in salvation at repentance and those who believe salvation does not happen until after repentance, water baptism, and Spirit baptism. If you're around for a while you'll see arguments back and forth on that. After we get done arguing and getting mad and insulting each other and calling names we just continue on as "one-steppers" and "three-steppers" until the subject comes up again.
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