Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Question ... could someone, in some OP circles, be saved if both the baptizer and baptizee were deaf and mute and did not know how to sign ? Would they be obeying Acts 2:38 if the proper name was not invoked over them by the baptizer during baptism or the believer did not speak in tongues if it was all done in their head?
This is not an answer to your question but don't you just love it when a deaf person is baptized in the Holy Spirit and their fingers and hands start going crazy!!!????
Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by JamDat
Is the batizee paying the baptizer with monopoly money or peanut shells? And if they video this act is there a portly person at the bottom of the screen in a circle to translate?
Hey JamDat...would you mind if I made a nick "JamDis"? Den we can be dis n dat....
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Question ... could someone, in some OP circles, be saved if both the baptizer and baptizee were deaf and mute and did not know how to sign ? Would they be obeying Acts 2:38 if the proper name was not invoked over them by the baptizer during baptism or the believer did not speak in tongues if it was all done in their head?
Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
For real? They've done brain scans on people while they are speaking in tongues?? Or am I missing something?
It IS for real -I remember when the article first came out.
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
So tongues can be turned on and off like a faucet or what? How does one get 'in the spirit' when having a brain scan??
They must be better Christians than I.
In the past I have thought similarly.
Many here would disagree that tongues cannot be entered into intentionally and also that tongues signifies the devoutness of a Christian.
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
In the past I have thought similarly.
Many here would disagree that tongues cannot be entered into intentionally and also that tongues signifies the devoutness of a Christian.
I don't see any scriptural support for people speaking in tongues at will. During prayer or when God was moving, yes, but not just any old time. Then again, I haven't read every scripture, so I'm interested if there are examples of this in scripture or anything alluding to that phenomenon.
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Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne
I don't see any scriptural support for people speaking in tongues at will. During prayer or when God was moving, yes, but not just any old time. Then again, I haven't read every scripture, so I'm interested if there are examples of this in scripture or anything alluding to that phenomenon.
I think it goes without saying those being tested were really praying... otherwise the point of the test would be moot.
One reason to believe that one can "will himself" to speak in tongues is to observe people speaking in tongues when it is out of order (per Paul instruction). I have no reason to think these are any less "genuine" then other utterances in "tongues" that are more in order.
As to scriptural support... that would be it. Paul recognized folks were speaking in tongues when they should not be. So though tongues may be impromptu, one may still will himself to do it or not.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
Re: Salvation for the deaf and mute?: Say it ain't
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
I think it goes without saying those being tested were really praying... otherwise the point of the test would be moot.
One reason to believe that one can "will himself" to speak in tongues is to observe people speaking in tongues when it is out of order (per Paul instruction). I have no reason to think these are any less "genuine" then other utterances in "tongues" that are more in order.
As to scriptural support... that would be it. Paul recognized folks were speaking in tongues when they should not be. So though tongues may be impromptu, one may still will himself to do it or not.
I've been in Pentecost most of my 39 years and I've never known of anyone that claimed to speak in tongues at will. I've heard people testify or sing and suddenly start speaking in tongues, but not like at the kitchen table or while grocery shopping or other casual settings where prayer or worship wasn't going on.
I don't know about brain scans, but I've had MRI and CT scans on my head and I had to lay still without speaking for those tests. So I'm puzzled as to how those tests were done and how accurate they are if the subjects were moving their heads. It's impossible to speak and not move your head in some way.
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