Gay Marriage Ban Overturned

[DanielR]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

I get the feeling that we waste a lot of time, money, and energy trying to control what others do...when ultimately we never will be able to control what others do. We need to realize that the church is a shelter in the storm, a holy haven of peace, not a political action committee.

The crazier this world gets...the important the church's role becomes. But if we become politicized...we'll miss it.

Now that Chris is one of your few posts that I can actually agree with, your not as hopeless as I had thought

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Yes there is, to borrow a phrase from Paul Harvey: the rest of the story-


The court ruled on the law as written. There is a movement to settle the issue by way of amendment to the California state constitution in November.

If this is done it would trump this court ruling.

Of course the few conservatives there are in California are apparently more concerned with which technologies are too evil to be used for evangelism and how to separate themselves from "the world" than to actually get involved in anything quite that temporal.

True on all accounts.

[ChristopherHall]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Follow me...Jeremiah stood against the government and popular viewpoint. The point was he wasnt praying your AA prayer. Did I advocate going to war with gays?

The popular viewpoint is conservative not liberal. That's why it's taking the court's to do this.

This is one of those fights we're not going to win. We need to just trust God and make the church a haven or shelter in the storm of this crazy world. We can be the quiet humble sojourners God called us to be. Frankly, I long for the day when the church isn't reduced to a political action committee. When we preach the truth in our churches that will define us...not our politics. And if they come after us for what we preach...then we will be the martyrs and the Constitution will be on our side.

I don't find value in political crusades to control others.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by James Griffin

Yes there is, to borrow a phrase from Paul Harvey: the rest of the story-


The court ruled on the law as written. There is a movement to settle the issue by way of amendment to the California state constitution in November.

If this is done it would trump this court ruling.

Of course the few conservatives there are in California are apparently more concerned with which technologies are too evil to be used for evangelism and how to separate themselves from "the world" than to actually get involved in anything quite that temporal.

Actually....

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

The popular viewpoint is conservative not liberal. That's why it's taking the court's to do this.
This is one of those fights we're not going to win. We need to just trust God and make the church a haven or shelter in the storm of this crazy world. We can be the quiet humble sojourners God called us to be. Frankly, I long for the day when the church isn't reduced to a political action committee. When we preach the truth in our churches that will define us...not our politics. And if they come after us for what we preach...then we will be the martyrs and the Constitution will be on our side.

I don't find value in political crusades to control others.

Did you listen to yourself? What Constitutional right does the court have to overthrow the people? It doesn't unless you buy into the whacky jurisprudence where the court conferred that authority upon themselves.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

Ah...the land of the breakfast cereal...fruits, nuts. AND flakes. lol

Also known as granola land
the land of fruits, nuts, and flakes.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Did you listen to yourself? What Constitutional right does the court have to overthrow the people? It doesn't unless you buy into the whacky jurisprudence where the court conferred that authority upon themselves.

In other words, "The constitution does not say what it says. It says what the Supreme Court says it says."

[Rhoni]

I'm not sure if you realize the ramifications of this lifting of the ban. It isn't just about same sex marriages, but it opens the door to any type of marriage which covers same sex, beastiality, incest, polygamy, ect. If it is a constitutional right to form any type of marriage you see fit or family structure...then we are talking about more than one form of sexual sins but covering them all and making them legal.

Come quickly Lord Jesus.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by ChristopherHall

The popular viewpoint is conservative not liberal. That's why it's taking the court's to do this.

This is one of those fights we're not going to win. We need to just trust God and make the church a haven or shelter in the storm of this crazy world. We can be the quiet humble sojourners God called us to be. Frankly, I long for the day when the church isn't reduced to a political action committee. When we preach the truth in our churches that will define us...not our politics. And if they come after us for what we preach...then we will be the martyrs and the Constitution will be on our side.

I don't find value in political crusades to control others.

the more people have such a defeatest attitude the more we WILL lose.

A man on the radio was asked his feelings. He said what two people do in their bedroom is none of business so I don't care. Apathy...this was not about what they do sexually in the bedroom

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Sam

In other words, "The constitution does not say what it says. It says what the Supreme Court says it says."

Yep.