I sat in a front bench and watched an ALJC preacher do this to a young girl. She was so confused because she did not believe she had received the Holy Ghost, and he kept telling her she had.
Really sad. We really need to get all the OP groups together and make a bold statement about this
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I also have an acquaintance that went to CLC is Stockton (about 5 - 6 years ago) that said during a service the leader just told everyone to start speaking in tongues. She said it was really weird, because many did. I never knew you could turn on tongues. I always thought they were "as the Spirit gave utterance".
I also have an acquaintance that went to CLC is Stockton (about 5 - 6 years ago) that said during a service the leader just told everyone to start speaking in tongues. She said it was really weird, because many did. I never knew you could turn on tongues. I always thought they were "as the Spirit gave utterance".
True it is as the Spirit gives utterance but all that means it is the Spirit that enables that. So maybe in that service the Spirit of God was moving but not everyone was speaking in tongues.
Paul said the spirit of the prophets are subject to the prophets
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
I sat in a front bench and watched an ALJC preacher do this to a young girl. She was so confused because she did not believe she had received the Holy Ghost, and he kept telling her she had.
Matt, nice to see you posting. I was just thinking about you today. Hope all is well.
In regard to the thread, this is a sad state of affairs that has been going on for decades now. I know of a church where everyone sways...the more they sway, the more Holy Ghost they will receive...or so it seems.
No wonder we have people leaving the church in droves. They don't have a clue as to the reality of God because that 'feeling' they are searching for just isn't there, yet the preacher says they are saved.
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I have often heard the complaint that certain groups (usually Charismatic) teach people how to speak in tongues. Have you seen this? What is involved?
Philip Dugas a son-in-law of the late AD Urshan told us that when AD Urshan would pray for some people who struggled receiving the Holy Spirit, he would have them repeat the word "ABBA" until they felt encouraged/faith to begin to pray in Tongues without help. He felt that it was a unfamiliar/Biblical address to God as Daddy, but it sounded close enough like Tongues and would often be the catlyst for someone receving liberty to speak out in tongues. I wouldn't say that it was teaching tongues, but I think it to a interesting approach.
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I also have an acquaintance that went to CLC is Stockton (about 5 - 6 years ago) that said during a service the leader just told everyone to start speaking in tongues. She said it was really weird, because many did. I never knew you could turn on tongues. I always thought they were "as the Spirit gave utterance".
You might need to reread I Cor 14, the ability to release or pray in tongues for the believer is found in the human will.
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You might need to reread I Cor 14, the ability to release or pray in tongues for the believer is found in the human will.
Maybe you should read verse 23, as it shows that it is wrong for a whole church to come together and speak in tongues.
I also disagree that I Cor 14 is stating that we can "at will" speak in tongues. If tongues come only from our human will and spirit, then the Holy Ghost is not needed. But the Holy Ghost is what gives utterance, not our human spirit.
Honestly, the more you folks talk about some of these old timers, the less respect I have for them.
Maybe you should read verse 23, as it shows that it is wrong for a whole church to come together and speak in tongues.
I also disagree that I Cor 14 is stating that we can "at will" speak in tongues. If tongues come only from our human will and spirit, then the Holy Ghost is not needed. But the Holy Ghost is what gives utterance, not our human spirit.
Honestly, the more you folks talk about some of these old timers, the less respect I have for them.
The apostle Paul described the will of the believer as key to the ability of the believer to have the ongoing ability to pray in tongues, he said "I will pray with my spirit and I will pray with my understanding also. I will sing with my spirit and I will sing with my understanding also." It is not a matter of emotion. It is a matter of the will. You can will to pray in your own language and you can will to pray in your heavenly language. Paul went on to say to the Christians in Corinth: The spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet, therefore let all things be done decently and in order." You can start and you can stop. You are in control.
You are entitled to your opinion about the Old Timers, I have a lot of respect for them and feel that much of their perspective we have lost.
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