Tithing…Is it a command?

[Sean]

Well bro., folks I know personally(big names) in the ministry have been marginalizing us, praying a curse on us and threatening us with hell for teaching or practicing non tithing...these guys in the video are just a step past that. Guess what..the world witnesses that stuff and you guys are lined up with that same man made doctrine. The world equates you guys as all the same.(at least that is what they tell me)

[Sean]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Those teachers use the Bible, probably the KJV should we then get rid of the Bible?
They call upon Jesus, should we then stop calling upon Jesus?
they praise and shout hallelujah, should we then stop praising God and shouting Hallelujah?

Just because some abuse the teaching of the tithe does not mean we get rid of the tithe, what we just need to do is to get rid of those greedy preachers.

Thats is what we call a mix of good and evil, if you get rid of the tithe, you will get the biggest, weekly taught heresy out of the church

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Sean

Well bro., folks I know personally(big names) in the ministry have been marginalizing us, praying a curse on us and threatening us with hell for teaching or practicing non tithing...these guys in the video are just a step past that. Guess what..the world witnesses that stuff and you guys are lined up with that same man made doctrine. The world equates you guys as all the same.(at least that is what they tell me)

The Pope may speak for all catholics, but that does not apply everywhere.

Clefo dollar does not speak for me and neither does that preacher praying a curse on you.

Do the UPCI preachers speak for all apostolics? Some preachers my try to speak for all apostolics, but no they do not speak for all of us.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Sean

Thats is what we call a mix of good and evil, if you get rid of the tithe, you will get the biggest, weekly taught heresy out of the church

We do not consider the tithe a heresy, that is you, and you speak for yourself not for the majority of the Apostolics.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

We do not consider the tithe a heresy, that is you, and you speak for yourself not for the majority of the Apostolics.

A consensus of Apostolic ministers' opinions does not or will not cause the Lord to see it their way.

If it is not taught in the original church it is considered a heresy....Look what Paul even considered a heresy...

19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.




If this was a "heresy", just imagine what "forced income percentage giving" would have been considered by Paul...a Law based doctrine with NO Biblical N.T. history or even extra Biblical history of giving until the 6th century.(to be enforced with penalties by Charlemagne in the 8th century and enforced with "threatened" penalties ever since)

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Sean

A consensus of Apostolic ministers' opinions does not or will not cause the Lord to see it their way.

If it is not taught in the original church it is considered a heresy....Look what Paul even considered a heresy...

19 For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.

20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.

21 For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken.



If this was a "heresy", just imagine what "forced income percentage giving" would have been considered by Paul...a Law based doctrine with NO Biblical N.T. history or even extra Biblical history of giving until the 6th century.(to be enforced with penalties by Charlemagne in the 8th century and enforced with "threatened" penalties ever since)

Baloney, Salami, pepperoni, sausage.

The tithe is a biblical principle that existed before the Law, during the Law and after the LAW.
Nowhere does the scripture call the tithe a heresy.
There is not a single scripture that says the tithe is done away with.
that is just your feverish imagination.

[Disciple4life]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Baloney, Salami, pepperoni, sausage.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Baloney, Salami, pepperoni, sausage.

The tithe is a biblical principle that existed before the Law, during the Law and after the LAW. Show me 1 verse that says tithing was after the Law....Please show this verse to me!

But it was adopted, like circumcision(which was also before the Law) into the Law and both of them ENDED for the N.T. believer

Nowhere does the scripture call the tithe a heresy.

Any false teaching is a heresy, especially tithing, which was the Law of Moses.

There is not a single scripture that says the tithe is done away with.
that is just your feverish imagination.

Well, I will show you otherwise....notice the subject matter and how many times tithe or tenth is mentioned compared at the end to verse 18 and 19...

Hebrews 7 King James Version (KJV)

7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.


Now that we see that the tithe is of the Law in verse 5 and the subject(tent or tithes) is brought up 7 times, these next 2 verses are the conclusion of the passage...it is speaking of a SINGLE commandment... Now I wonder what that could be? Only the tithing commandment is the subject here...

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

[shag]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

Baloney, Salami, pepperoni, sausage.

The tithe is a biblical principle that existed before the Law, during the Law and after the LAW.
Nowhere does the scripture call the tithe a heresy.
There is not a single scripture that says the tithe is done away with.
that is just your feverish imagination.

Plz show in the bible where it was taught, shown to 'have existed" after the law (which is post cross/resurrection) as u state.

AND, plz show where it was taught to the nt church to take the leap from the ot different tithes AND the 7th yr no tithing yr of jubilee to the nt one tithe that goes in the offering plate and the pastor decides who of all that are involved in nt test. 5 fold ministries gets a 10% piece of everybody's income, poor or rich. Explain where that covenant leap was taught from the poor & widows receiving tithes to them paying it.

Explain who out of all the many church ministries and "positions" was taught in the nt, as being as a receiver of 10% of the rest of church's income as taught in the bible.AND show where it happened that way in scripture in the church. All this...show where "the principle" was instructed/explained regarding how it DID AND SHOULd operate in the church body.

[Sean]

Amen shag, you just detailed the "heresies" of tithing that is taught today.