Texas Tornado Over Pastor with TV

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I want to recant my earlier statements I have been informed by a very reliable source this issue has been settled. So the issue is mute.

I read this to mean the violator relinquished his position and preempted any action.

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I want to recant my earlier statements I have been informed by a very reliable source this issue has been settled. So the issue is mute.

Originally Posted by AGAPE

There is not ONE PREACHER that has a TV

Of course not.


They have "monitors" instead.

[CC1]

If this is going to become a pattern in Texas they might be losing some very promient pastors!

I think incidents like this only make it even more appaent how ridiculous the legalism is in the UPC. It also shows what extreme measures must be taken to keep the house of cards from falling. You must enforce your legalism of common sense and logic will eat away at it.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by rrford

Go ahead I can take it and will admit when I was wrong. Now I do NOT know how it was rectified I was not shared that info but the party he told me was trustworthy.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover

ILG, I don't have a horse in this race... but, me thinks it's is a bit more complicated. It depends much on the intent of the language at the time it was written, and whether anything has changed since that time. True, things may be best changed on the national/legistlative level before it is changed in practice, but change rarely occurs that way. Rather than immediate change in wording, it is more common that the penalties for infractions are relaxed or done away with first.

BTW I am not so sure you weren't guilty of infraction when you say,

"We didn't preach things we didn't believe....."

It could be, and is argued by some that you were under obligation to do so....

I understand the opposing view. For me, it wasn't good in practice. But I am talking about the ministry and not how laity is practicing things. (I understand there are also opposing views for those in ministry.) Laity often is not tied into things and into the legislation of it all in the same way that ministry is. Ministry has signed an agreement. Many put a disclaimer on the AS so that gives some loophole room as well. The point is that there is a right way and a wrong way to break rank. I don't personally feel that this instance was a good way to break rank. Ultimately, it is between him and God. But the district has some decisions to make regarding it as well.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Go ahead I can take it and will admit when I was wrong. Now I do NOT know how it was rectified I was not shared that info but the party he told me was trustworthy.

So, is it some big secret?

[COOPER]

Originally Posted by Berkeley

I don't care what the debbil don't like.. I'm gonna watch TV tonight!!

[Blsdbeyondmsure]

Just want to say, I was raised by a UPC pastor & have several relatives that hold license with the UPC. NONE of them had or have TV's.

My parents didn't even let us turn on the TV in hotel rooms when we were kids and they weren't what most would consider conservative. We wear wedding rings, short sleeves & knee length skirts! LOL!

I would struggle with sitting under a pastor who belongs to an org that has asked their ministers not have TV & they have one. Where's the integrity?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by ILG

So, is it some big secret?

He just did not feel the need to tell me I am not in the org. So he did not feel the need to share that. But if the guy said it then it is so whatever it is.