Do we have to pay tithes?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Just type tenth in a Concordance it is shown over 63 times. There is something with the number and God has made it clear "the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord."


Again, my comment went right over your head. That tenth that you mentioned was not commanded to anyone but to those it was addressed to. This is your problem with not understanding something in context. Your whole house of cards stands or falls on this "holy unto me" comment. Even then you zero in on that phrase when it comes to tithes but ignore its use everywhere else. I'm sorry, but Riggen is just as wrong in abusing hermeneutical laws that way. He needs to repent.

I mean I was looking at different scriptures just look at Isaiah 6:11-13 "Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate, [12] And the Lord have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land. [13] But yet in it shall be a tenth, and it shall return, and shall be eaten: as a teil tree, and as an oak, whose substance is in them, when they cast their leaves: so the holy seed shall be the substance thereof."

Even like in Revelations 11:13 "And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."


So because of all this you think God is obsessed with a tenth? Amazing. You build doctrine for giving from all of this?

There is many more and I know these weren't about tithes but tithes does mean tenth,so what are the Spiritual ramifications of the tenth?

No.

I want to say this I believe not paying your tithe sending you to hell is extreme. I can see it in the light of scripture, but at the same time I think that's extreme. I mean I cant speak for God, but I would say that I believe there would be more teaching of it, if it was a situation like that. But I do believe there is a Spiritual Principal with the tenth, that we shouldn't miss.

You are reading something into it.


Not because it will send us to hell, thinking like that is counterproductive. But more because we could miss out on a principal God was trying to share with us. One that is not just revealed to everyone. After studying this the way I have because of this, I feel stronger then ever about it. I really feel there is something there.

Please hear me I've been coming off wrong on you guys. I think I have set myself up as a opposition, and that cant work. Please forgive me all you guys I apologise.

Interpret the Scriptures knowing that the goal in interpretation is not to discover hidden, secret truths, or to be unique in your interpretation.

God has given us His Word in order to reveal Himself.
– It is not a book of dark mysteries, and riddles, it is a book of self disclosure.
– He is not a God of confusion, but of clarity.
– He has not spoken in order to conceal, but to be understood and known.
Therefore, when we come to His Word we need to realize that it is the plain meaning of the text that we are seeking to understand.

We need not look for hidden, esoteric, cryptic truths. God has preserved His Word to speak to the multitudes of ordinary people that they might be saved. So, don’t pass up the obvious and natural meaning of a text looking for something “unique” and “deep.”

Many of the times someone has excitedly shared with me something really “unique” and “deep” that they discovered in the Bible, something they’ve never heard any teacher share, they have usually been wrong.

It is tempting as you study the Scriptures to discover things that no one else has ever seen before.

But if you’re discovering things like that, you can almost bet that you are making the Scriptures to say things that were never intended by the original authors.

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Originalist

You can't see what I'm saying and that's fine. Im not building a doctrine. You just understand and that's fine. God bless you have a good day.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Don't know why an apostolic would stoop so low as to be on that show. I'm beginning to think charts are the mark of the beast

[1ofthechosen]

Proverbs 3:5-10 "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. [6] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. [7] Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord , and depart from evil. [8] It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones. [9] Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: [10] So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine."

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Proverbs 3:5-10 "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. [6] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. [7] Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord , and depart from evil. [8] It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones. [9] Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: [10] So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine."

Context.

Who in the Law was actually commanded to give a tenth of the things listed above?

What right would the writer of that Proverb have to revise the list of givers? What right do you have to revise the list?

Context.

Please learn some Hermeneutics.

[Aquila]

For those interested in a comprehensive history of tithing and additional information, this link, and the links along the left is very, very informative:

Secular History of Tithing
http://tithing-russkelly.com/id15.html

[1ofthechosen]

Ok you ready for this one? Have you ever thought that Jesus received tithes? Well now this is before Calvary, but there is scripture to support it.

What do we know about the types of tithes already? There is three types the Levitical or sacred tithe, the feast tithe, the poor tithe. Ok so the first one is John 12:3-6 "Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. [4] Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son , which should betray him, [5] Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? [6] This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein."

Ok that's the first scripture it only shows one type: the poor tithe. Now in the very next chapter in John 13:27-29 there's another one "And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. [28] Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him. [29] For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor." This one shows 2 types: the poor, and the feast tithe. In light of this, did Jesus receive tithes?



Matter of fact, if they knew He was the Messiah then they had a promise in Malachi 3:1-4 "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts. [2] But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: [3] And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness. [4] Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the Lord, as in the days of old, and as in former years."

[1ofthechosen]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Context.

Who in the Law was actually commanded to give a tenth of the things listed above?

What right would the writer of that Proverb have to revise the list of givers? What right do you have to revise the list?

Context.

Please learn some Hermeneutics.

I the text is clear "all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree" and "concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord."

In Proverbs 3:1-10 "My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: [2] For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee. [3] Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart: [4] So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man. [5] Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. [6] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. [7] Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord , and depart from evil. [8] It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones. [9] Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: [10] So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine."

This is coming from the voice of the Father btw is the context. Read verse 1.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

I the text is clear "all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree" and "concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord."

In Proverbs 3:1-10 "My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: [2] For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee. [3] Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart: [4] So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man. [5] Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. [6] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. [7] Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the Lord , and depart from evil. [8] It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones. [9] Honour the Lord with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase: [10] So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine."

This is coming from the voice of the Father btw is the context. Read verse 1.

Again, you are not considering context. WHO was that command to? It was not for all the people of Israel.

NEWS FLASH: Not all the people of Israel were commanded to tithe. This passage in Proverbs is not changing the tithing laws.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by 1ofthechosen

Ok you ready for this one? Have you ever thought that Jesus received tithes? Well now this is before Calvary, but there is scripture to support it.

What do we know about the types of tithes already? There is three types the Levitical or sacred tithe, the feast tithe, the poor tithe. Ok so the first one is John 12:3-6 "Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. [4] Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son , which should betray him, [5] Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? [6] This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein."

Ok that's the first scripture it only shows one type: the poor tithe. Now in the very next chapter in John 13:27-29 there's another one "And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly. [28] Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him. [29] For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him, Buy those things that we have need of against the feast; or, that he should give something to the poor." This one shows 2 types: the poor, and the feast tithe. In light of this, did Jesus receive tithes?



Matter of fact, if they knew He was the Messiah then they had a promise in Malachi 3:1-4 "Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts. [2] But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: [3] And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the Lord an offering in righteousness. [4] Then shall the offering of Judah and Jerusalem be pleasant unto the Lord, as in the days of old, and as in former years."

Again, supposition. Searching past the context of the passage in hopes of finding something that fits your desired paradigm.

Do not think that God is as obsessed with lining a preacher's pocket as you obviously are.