Was it necessary to repeal DADT?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I said, "I would hope that every pastor would act according to his convictions." What the heck is wrong with that???? You respond with "Inspired by Satan", and "Repent of evil ways" and "Abominations"???? What is your problem?

It just seems your post had implication there might be a pastor with a "conviction" that homosexual marriage was fine and he could perform them. Just wanted to point out such a "conviction" would be inspired by the evil one and not of Christ. If I read you wrong and you actually agree, please forgive my assumption!

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

NO ONE is concerned that the gospel of Christ won't stand. You guys completely miss point after point, and re-prhase every argument (all while ignoring the real points).

My concern is for my children and grandchildren, BECAUSE eventually unrestrained homosexuality, forced acceptance, and elementary children who are "educated" on how legitimate it is, and "how to" will eventually touch everyone's backyard sometime.

So what are you afraid of, exactly.....that if homosexuality becomes "more approved of" that more people will decide to be gay? Are you afraid your children and grandchildren just might choose the "gay" option?

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Cindy

That was my point, I guess none of our justices have come to that point, of stepping down.

Perhaps, even though we may disagree, they honestly believe they are doing the right thing.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Get a clue Dan. The issue isn't homosexuality. Are not homosexuals free to have sex with whoever they want, as much as they want, so long as they are of age? That's not the issue. They are as free to sin as the adulterer is and the fornicator is. Have all the sex they want, with whomever they want, married or unmarried, so long as their of age.

DADT isn't about homosexuality, it is about forcing everyone else to recognize homosexuality as a LEGITIMATE life style, protected and sanctioned by the state, there is a big difference. Anyone who cannot see that the repeal of DADT will lead directly to homosexual marriage in the next generation (if not before) is being willingly ignorant.

We can't keep people from sinning, especially on the inside. But we can restrain the ability to act out those sinful urges, and each time we choose not to we go further and further away from God, and will reap the conseqences, because GOD WILL GIVE our nation up "to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient."

Where does ALL this garbage start, it start with philosphies such as your and smiths thinking you are smarter than God, you guys are puffing up your intellects, all the while tearing down the word of God. "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful ; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened . Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."


As you pointed out, pornography is legal. [B]My question to you is HOW has that helped society? [/B] How has given liberty to perverts and those filled with lust an avenue to express their sinful desire legally HELPED our country in any way? Through internet porn, child porn, filthy magazines, pronographic movies? No all it has done is erode our society into a sex driven, lust driven society, filled with teenage pregnancies (many unwanted which end up in abortions), child molestation (because people can't find a partner to fulfill their lust on, they prey on an innocent victim), rape, homosexuality,etc.

How has legalizing abortion worked out, given women a choice? In what way have those freedoms advanced our society, by killing innocent babies by the millions? Carelessly throwing remains in garbage bags of HUMAN BEINGS?

How will we benefit if marijuana is legalized? What great civil purpose will that serve?

LEGALIZING SIN NEVER MAKES ANYTHING BETTER AND NEVER INCREASES "RIGHTS" or "EQUALITY" IT ONLY RESULTS IN MORE AND MORE UNGODLINESS.


You are appearently blind to my points, because over and over I've said that though I don't approve of homosexuality, I can't do anything to stop the act. Be at peace dan, homosexuality will continue, I can't stop it. What I am against is the LEGALIZATION of OPEN HOMOSEXUALITY in which all others are forced to recognize it, because the federal government has done so. We're already down that road a bit, but DADT is a big hurdle for what they ultimately want, which is marriage, and once again, at that point the dam is broken.

I'm not arguing ONLY against DADT, but against where it is taking us.
Agreed, and I never said that. your using a strawman argument against me so that you can "thump your chest". I'm against openly homosexual people serving in the military BECAUSE of the consequences it will have for ALL of American society through FUTURE legislation. Keep DADT in place, and problem is solved. Homosexuals can be in the military, enjoy the benefits, and give their lives if they so choose. Repeal DADT and it is simply a platform for homosexual activists to promote their agenda, why can't you see this?

Dan & Mr. SMith, you great heros of civil rights, answer the question, do you support a "womans Choice"?

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

It just seems your post had implication there might be a pastor with a "conviction" that homosexual marriage was fine and he could perform them. Just wanted to point out such a "conviction" would be inspired by the evil one and not of Christ. If I read you wrong and you actually agree, please forgive my assumption!

You not only read me wrong, but weren't within a galaxy of what I actually said in plain, simply written words. Every pastor should follow their convictions. You'd have to have an ax to grind with me if that statement bothers you.

[James Griffin]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

So what are you afraid of, exactly.....that if homosexuality becomes "more approved of" that more people will decide to be gay? Are you afraid your children and grandchildren just might choose the "gay" option?

For too long the Apostolic identity has had the theme song- Hold the Fort for I am Coming as opposed the gates of Hell shall not prevail against the church.

I remember a time when churches taught their kids should not go to college for they might lose their faith in face of agnostic professors.

My kids are taught better, and my God is not that small.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Maybe pastors should attend abortions as long as they don't perform them?

Indeed. Admirable.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

How could you as a "man of God' (as you said earlier in this thread REQUEST and ATTEND a HOMOSEXUAL WEDDING?


Sorry, I don't see Moses, Jerimiah, Isaiah, James, Peter, Paul, or ANY man of God in the Bible doing such a thing.

What is the REAL and FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE between NOT marrying them, but asking to be invited to their wedding and giving them gifts?

The world of reaching people who need Christ can get messy, Jason. And I absolutely would attend an abortion so I could be there to comfort them, love them, pray for them, feed them, hold them, cry with them, and help them heal when the reality set in of what they had just done.

I'd also try to help her understand why well-meaning but unwise and poorly strategized Christians were outside the abortion clinic yelling "Baby-killer" at her.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Dan & Mr. SMith, you great heros of civil rights, answer the question, do you support a "womans Choice"?

Not until you make some things right with me that you need to.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

So what are you afraid of, exactly.....that if homosexuality becomes "more approved of" that more people will decide to be gay? Are you afraid your children and grandchildren just might choose the "gay" option?

My concern is that people who have an agenda will attempt to influence my children, undermine my advice (which is Bible based-homsexuality is a sin, not an acceptable alternative lifestyle) and encourage them to "experiement" or whatever. These type of things are uncommon, at this point, but to act like these things have not happened even in our current society andwithin the public school systems even now is ignorance.