Re: How many times did you ask God for the Holy Gh
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffrey
Acts 2:38, the monumental verse of many groups, doesn't include asking for it. It's a gift promised, not an opportunity pleaded for.
SO are you saying Peter contradicted Jesus when Jesus said to ask for it? Just because something is a gift does not mean we do not ask for it. We do not work from it since it is a gift, but we ask.
__________________ ...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Re: How many times did you ask God for the Holy Gh
Quote:
Originally Posted by mfblume
SO are you saying Peter contradicted Jesus when Jesus said to ask for it? Just because something is a gift does not mean we do not ask for it. We do not work from it since it is a gift, but we ask.
Maybe he was obeying Jesus. Kinda like the way to obey Matthew 28:19 was Acts 2:38. See, Peter knew what Jesus really meant by "asking". He meant, uh, well.... I guess Peter knew that Jesus really meant Acts 2:38!
__________________
Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Re: How many times did you ask God for the Holy Gh
Quote:
Originally Posted by mfblume
SO are you saying Peter contradicted Jesus when Jesus said to ask for it? Just because something is a gift does not mean we do not ask for it. We do not work from it since it is a gift, but we ask.
Not saying that at all
I just see the Spirit given, similarly to the offer of the Father to the Prodigal: before the Prodigal could even open his mouth with his own schemes of earning a wage under a hired apprentance. He was restored immediately.
I'm not saying we SHOULDN'T ask for the Spirit, but neither am I saying we MUST. It was promised. It's a gift. I don't go around demanding my gifts. I wait until they are offered and I accept them.
Re: How many times did you ask God for the Holy Gh
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeffrey
Not saying that at all
I just see the Spirit given, similarly to the offer of the Father to the Prodigal: before the Prodigal could even open his mouth with his own schemes of earning a wage under a hired apprentance. He was restored immediately.
I'm not saying we SHOULDN'T ask for the Spirit, but neither am I saying we MUST. It was promised. It's a gift. I don't go around demanding my gifts. I wait until they are offered and I accept them.
Ok. Either way, we can ask and Jesus noted that.
__________________ ...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Re: How many times did you ask God for the Holy Gh
Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyRev
The idea of us asking God for His Spirit without first having repented of everything that is contrary to God is ludicrous.
Its as ludicrous as saying that God is Love therefore He won't judge and condemn anyone to hell because He can't, its against His nature, for God is love.
The idea of someone thinking that God is withholding His Spirit from someone who has repented because they're not speaking in tongues is what is ludicrous. The idea of someone judging someone to be unrepentant JUST because they haven't spoke in tongues is ludicrous, also.
Re: How many times did you ask God for the Holy Gh
Yea timmy you did not know that god will fill your dirty body with his clean spirit even before you repent and get washed off in the water....dont make sense to me but I guess he can do it cause I have seen it happen even though the bible tells us the order it will happen in...lol
Re: How many times did you ask God for the Holy Gh
Cornelius must not have been save since he spoke in tongues BEFORE he was baptized.
Biblical repentance is nothing like we have been taught in oneness circles. We more concerned about dunking people and getting the chi-chi-chi's rolling off their toungue. We relegated repentance to saying I'm sorry and getting people to conformed to a dress code. Totally unscriptural.
In my vast experience, I've seen more people speak in tongues before baptism occurs. God will give his gift to anyone who asks without preconditions. It happens, if it doesn't happen in your world, you don't get out much.
The only thing which can clean a heart is the Blood of Jesus. There is no scripture which says God will not dwell in an unclean vessel. The scripture which says new wine cannot be put in new wineskins deals with imposing the doctrine of the Pharisees on new converts. (Read Adam Clarke's Commentary)
Although not sequential, Acts 2:38 emphasizes what is the order of importance. Repentance is the most important. Anyone who has a working knowledge of the greek knowledge will tell you repentance is the most important word in that verse.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KWSS1976
Yea timmy you did not know that god will fill your dirty body with his clean spirit even before you repent and get washed off in the water....dont make sense to me but I guess he can do it cause I have seen it happen even though the bible tells us the order it will happen in...lol
__________________
A religious spirit allows people to tolerate hatred and anger under the guise of passion and holiness. Bill Johnson
Legalism has no pity on people. Legalism makes my opinion your burden, makes opinion your boundary, makes my opinion your obligation-Lucado
Some get spiritual because they see the light. Others because they feel the heat.Ray Wylie Hubbard
Definition of legalism- Damned if you do. Damned if you don't. TV
Linear Mode
