Calling all PAJCers: When does Justification and Remission Happen?

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

Felicty

If asked to teach a Bible study at your church be allowed/expected to say this to new visitors?

No trick.

J/W

Yes.

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by Felicity

Yes.

Thanks.

Hope burns eternal.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I believe this too ... Ferd ... DOES THAT MAKE ME REAL PCI ... OLD SCHOOL .... or are ALL NEWBIES COUNTERFEITS???

before i blow my top at your continual and confounded acting like you have been hurt, I will ask you if you say my post BEFORE the one you quoted, where I clearly indicate our common ground, where i quote you as you point out that you belive what Felicity beleives on the subject...

IF you indicate that you did not see that post, you are off the hook.

IF you did see that post, and still you persist in acting like you have been somehow hurt by what I said, then I guess, we have no basis for serious debate and communicaiton.

[Felicity]

Originally Posted by Old Paths

Thanks.

Hope burns eternal.

LOL. You made me laugh. Thanks. I needed that.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Felicity

There is no consensus in regard to what all baptism accomplishes amongst OPs.

I have found no consensus on any subject by any group of christians about any thing.... go figure.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Ferd

before i blow my top at your continual and confounded acting like you have been hurt, I will ask you if you say my post BEFORE the one you quoted, where I clearly indicate our common ground, where i quote you as you point out that you belive what Felicity beleives on the subject...

IF you indicate that you did not see that post, you are off the hook.

IF you did see that post, and still you persist in acting like you have been somehow hurt by what I said, then I guess, we have no basis for serious debate and communicaiton.

Please don't blow your top ... or think you've made a dent ...

You can't hurt me ... Ferd.

You make subtle swipes by suggesting she has REAL PCI doctrine and it's not to be interpreted any other way ... c'mon ... let's GET REAL.

Now of course ... I'm just being bitter and sensitive ...

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Please don't blow your top ... or think you've made a dent ...

You can't hurt me ... Ferd.

You make subtle swipes by suggesting she has REAL PCI doctrine and it's not to be interpreted any other way ... c'mon ... let's GET REAL.

Now of course ... I'm just being bitter and sensitive ...

you goof ball. hurt you? good grief. BEFORE I said what I did to Felicity, I quoted YOU where you agreed with HER (because I was reading these posts backwards) and STATE WE HAVE COMMON GROUND.

Daniel there was no subtle swipe at you. here is a not so subtle swipe. quit being paranoid.

I say what I mean dude.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Ferd

you goof ball. hurt you? good grief. BEFORE I said what I did to Felicity, I quoted YOU where you agreed with HER (because I was reading these posts backwards) and STATE WE HAVE COMMON GROUND.

Daniel there was no subtle swipe at you. here is a not so subtle swipe. quit being paranoid.

I say what I mean dude.

Now that we got that out of the way

I await your exegesis on when remission and justification happen.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Now that we got that out of the way

I await your exegesis on when remission and justification happen.

first, we need to get this clear.

Baptism is no more a "work" than repenance. every person must do something to come into fellowship with God.

If you believe that happens at repenance, fine

but you dont get to say that your belief does not constitue works where my belief does constitute works.

once we get that clear, reguardless of long posts about Paul and circumsision, we can then begin this discussion.....even if I need swimmies.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Ferd

first, we need to get this clear.

Baptism is no more a "work" than repenance. every person must do something to come into fellowship with God.

If you believe that happens at repenance, fine

but you dont get to say that your belief does not constitue works where my belief does constitute works.

once we get that clear, reguardless of long posts about Paul and circumsision, we can then begin this discussion.....even if I need swimmies.

Isn't that the debate when and how we come into fellowship w/ God???

I don't have to agree with your faulty assessment on how works save me ... but that's what I'm here for .

Proceed .. justification and remission... when and how???