Question about Acts 2:38: What about the martyrs?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, i pretty much agree with all of that. They have a skewed image of Christ? Then i guess they will just have to join the crowd, huh. If you have found the one ideal path to Christ, then one is left to wonder why you repeat gossip from far away? Which is what "Muslims are lost" amounts to. Why seek enemies? I can completely agree that knowing a risen Christ, who died for your sins is best; this knowing must then come with a heavier cross--why are you speaking death? This knowledge should then evidence in Life, more abundantly for you, and be a compelling example that they would hear about even without a tv! And i see that there are many, Pentecostals included, who can be described this way; that laugh at the fear of Islam, and do not repeat what their society is convinced of. But they are not remarking on nations on the other side of the planet; their "elders" are not speaking poorly about their misguided daughters. The way you judge is how you will be judged. God will not be mocked.

Muslims are lost, they have to come through the water way in Jesus name.
The have to denounce their rock worship and follow the true and living way in Jesus Christ. Seriously Shazeep I really doubt that English is your first language because it is like wading through mud trying to figure out what you are posting. But none the less, we need to preach to Neturei Karta Jews as well as Muslims. This is the only way they will be saved. How you judge is the way you also will be judged, so if you don't care about these people enough to warn them about impending doom, you yourself may be blinded from seeing the truth and be damned for eternity. Jesus will not be mocked.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Actually Jesus said that in context of saying you can judge so long as you're not guilty of the same thing you judge. Read the context.

"He that is WITHOUT SIN, let hid told the Pharisees m cast the first stone."

At last, someone who READ the scripture! Of course, that was Old Testament: and it did
not say DON'T THROW STONES; rather, it must read that WHEN you throw a stone (judge
as guilty), first make sure you are righteous!

When judging the prostitute in the heat of the moment, the Pharisees did not leave only
because they were not righteous: they left because they needed to go and make a
sacrifice for their unrighteousness!

"For so is the will of God, that with well doing (following righteousness) ye may put
to silence the ignorance of foolish men:"

[shazeep]

you illuminate the central problem here, i think; people who have come to believe in their own righteousness. Reading the Bible will not save you, if you do not apply it. You don't get to pick only the verses you like, and ignore the ones that don't fit with your idea of salvation. The First Son is superior to the Second, who knew all the right words.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Muslims are lost, they have to come through the water way in Jesus name.
The have to denounce their rock worship and follow the true and living way in Jesus Christ. Seriously Shazeep I really doubt that English is your first language because it is like wading through mud trying to figure out what you are posting. But none the less, we need to preach to Neturei Karta Jews as well as Muslims. This is the only way they will be saved. How you judge is the way you also will be judged, so if you don't care about these people enough to warn them about impending doom, you yourself may be blinded from seeing the truth and be damned for eternity. Jesus will not be mocked.

Well, understand that what you are posting is crystal clear, to one with ears. I'm sure you and Mike think you are helping, or telling it like it is, when you are actually just judging. You imagine that you are bringin' people freedumb, democracy style, so don't be surprised when you are lumped in with your cancerous government. Lots of people might know the truth, so what? If all the knowledge does is make them puffed up, they have failed the test, and will hear "I never knew you."

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Is it condemning to say someone is condemned already?

i don't know; you are condemned already--am i condemning you? Do you not understand that you can find justification for anything in Scripture, and it is how you apply it that reveals your heart, so that God may judge it? So see how you are already condemned, when you find enemies other than satan.

[shazeep]

witness the fruit of "All Muslims are lost"

[shazeep]

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

you illuminate the central problem here, i think; people who have come to believe in their own righteousness. Reading the Bible will not save you, if you do not apply it. You don't get to pick only the verses you like, and ignore the ones that don't fit with your idea of salvation. The First Son is superior to the Second, who knew all the right words.Well, understand that what you are posting is crystal clear, to one with ears. I'm sure you and Mike think you are helping, or telling it like it is, when you are actually just judging. You imagine that you are bringin' people freedumb, democracy style, so don't be surprised when you are lumped in with your cancerous government. Lots of people might know the truth, so what? If all the knowledge does is make them puffed up, they have failed the test, and will hear "I never knew you."

Wait, wait, you are mixing up two ideologies Apostolic Christianity and the Brave New World Order. How you have convinced yourself that calling anyone lost indicates global meltdown is laughable. Saying Buddhists are lost didn't bring on Vietnam, saying Shintos are lost didn't bring on World War II, saying Russian Orthodox are lost didn't create the cold war in the 50s, 60s 70s and 80s. Shazeep, you have a problem with funding Zionist Israel, then I suggest you go an lobby in Washington, and express your grievances. Also Brother Blume is Canadian, and I doubt Canada has anything to do with sending funding to Israel. Oh, did you know America also sends monies to Egypt? Muslims were lost way before oil was discovered in the Middle East, Muslims were lost way before Mohammed was ever born. So, if you refuse to have a nice decent conversation concerning salvation, then move on. Because your conversation concerning Zionist Israel has nothing to do with the topic of salvation.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

witness the fruit of "All Muslims are lost"

So, if I lie and say Muslims are saved, the United States will stop funding Israel? You can't even explain that with a straight face.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

you pretend to speak for Muslims that you have never met--that used to babysit Jewish children--by analyzing their dogma, and, finding it incompatible with yours, naturally make an enemy of them, that you may be in the right. I never asked the Good Samaritan what his dogma was, and do not care; you base your judgement upon it, and make him an enemy?

You are lying. Nobody is saying Muslims are our enemy. Again you're using the current world view. .. same spirit as saying Christians hate homosexuals because we say they're in sin.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

you seek to justify your position with the right words; but the Qur'an plainly instructs believers to follow Christ's example or be doomed. More than once. It has been shown you that one may accept Christ spiritually, and yet not agree with your words; in several parables. Yet you would still attempt to justify your judgement of people you do not know. What is to be done with you, other than what is already being done? i know nothing, and can only suggest that one examine themselves for condemnation. We are only talking, after all.

Following his example is not believing his work on the cross saves. It is trying to promote salvation by works.

You cannot go ten feet near the issue we're speaking of. ... Salvation by God's work of the cross alone. You keep going to works like following Jesus' example. We all must do that. But doing that without proceeding there from the standpoint of the work of the cross to save is still salvation by works.