Gay Marriage: For or Against?

[Aquila]

American culture already acknowledges unbiblical marriages legally. First, American culture legally recognizes the legal union between divorcees, regardless of the circumstance of the divorce(s) in question. Second, some states recognize Common Law Marriages as legal unions requiring legal dismissal if either party wishes to protect themselves in a court of law. Some states have even recognized polygamous marriages in the past.

If we were to fully affirm a biblical standard of marriage, we’d have to take a stand against the legalization of remarriage among divorcees (some faith traditions interpret an exception), common law marriages, and polygamy.

I know of a man who cheated on his wife, remarried to the woman he cheated with, and was later appointed to a position of elder in a church 8 years after remarrying. Wow.

Advocating remarriage weakens the value of traditional marriage because it allows Americans to think that they can always “try again if this doesn’t work out”. Not to mention the chaos it puts the children through. A disproportionate number of children are abused by step fathers/mothers. To ban remarriage would strengthen the family unit and protect the institution of marriage. To advocate the legalization of remarriage among divorcees contributes to the demise of the family, abuse of children, and shatters the sanctity of marriage.

To advocate Common Law Marriages is to weaken the social fabric and to shatter the sanctity of traditional marriage by allowing people to just shack up. It’s like legalizing fornication.

To allow polygamy is to destroy the sanctity of monogamous marriage. Abuse of young adults is often common in polygamous marriages as is arrangement of marriages.

My point is that from a civil law standpoint this entire premise goes crazy. Advocacy of individual liberty of conscience on the matter is best. Biblical churches will always stand for biblical marriage. If every conservative church came under fire for this position…it would be a political nightmare for the left. The public image of the church will shift from being that the church wants to deprive people of personal liberties to the church is under attack and now the leftwing extremists are attacking the liberties of well over half of all the churches in America. Actually…it could bring revival. It’s free advertising. The question of Christian liberties is now the subject of conversations in homes throughout America. A little “persecution” might be good for us.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Should we ban other unbiblical marriages that are harmful to our social fabric?

What does the bible say? Explain why the bible doesn't mention a single gay marriage.
"unbiblical" marriage doesn't work because they don't obey the love and respect part as in the bible. We don't ban these marriages after the fact. We convert them and disciple them.

Reuters) - Twins who were separated at birth and raised by different families met later and married but were forced to break up when they discovered their true identities, a British legislator said on Friday.

"It's a tragedy for the couple who are involved, a terrible tragedy. Everyone's hearts will go out to people caught up quite unwittingly in a case of incest of this kind," David Alton, a member of Britain's upper House of Lords, told BBC radio.

Gay marriage people would want to separate.

[Aquila]

Coadie... do you live to use the police power of Government to control others?

I'm a citizen of the kingdom of God. I say, keep America free and preach the truth. If persecution comes, it comes. Jesus said it would. In fact... it will make us stronger. Maybe we need it.

You sound like you might enjoy being a Christian living under Shariah Law Coadie. Shariah Law would ban many social evils that we see in America.

[whoami]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Coadie... do you live to use the police power of Government to control others?

I'm a citizen of the kingdom of God. I say, keep America free and preach the truth. If persecution comes, it comes. Jesus said it would. In fact... it will make us stronger. Maybe we need it.

You sound like you might enjoy being a Christian living under Shariah Law Coadie. Shariah Law would ban many social evils that we see in America.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Coadie... do you live to use the police power of Government to control others?
I'm a citizen of the kingdom of God. I say, keep America free and preach the truth. If persecution comes, it comes. Jesus said it would. In fact... it will make us stronger. Maybe we need it.

You sound like you might enjoy being a Christian living under Shariah Law Coadie. Shariah Law would ban many social evils that we see in America.

Your strawman tells me you are not honest.
I was raised Mennonite and actually read the Mennonite Weekly last night. It describes many of our churches in Siberia which had over 1,000 members burried and killed by the Russians in cemetaries in town.

Pacifists are about as opposite from Muslims and Communists as it gets.
You don't know what persecution is. Do you know why you make dishonest claims? Your agenda seems to include making false caricatures.
I saw that years ago in counseling.

We do have laws. We make laws because people like yourself have an agenda. DOMA laws are constitutional amendments

Defense of Marriage Act is the short title of a federal law of the United States passed on September 21, 1996 as Public Law No. 104-199, 110 Stat. 2419. Its provisions are codified at 1 U.S.C. § 7 and 28 U.S.C. § 1738C. Under the law, also known as DOMA, no state (or other political subdivision within the United States) needs to treat as a marriage a same-sex relationship considered a marriage in another state (DOMA, Section 2); the federal government defines marriage as a legal union between one man and one woman (DOMA, Section 3).

President Barack Obama's political platform included full repeal of DOMA

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

Your strawman tells me you are not honest.

Coadie, let's not start calling people dishonest when they are just sharing an opinion with you. C'mon. Have some Christian maturity. Jeeesh.

I was raised Mennonite and actually read the Mennonite Weekly last night. It describes many of our churches in Siberia which had over 1,000 members burried and killed by the Russians in cemetaries in town.

Okay. What is the Mennonite position on homosexuality?

Pacifists are about as opposite from Muslims and Communists as it gets.
You don't know what persecution is. Do you know why you make dishonest claims? Your agenda seems to include making false caricatures.
I saw that years ago in counseling.

I think you need counseling! LOL You're obsessed with trying to use "government" to control other individuals and their private choices. That's rather obsessive and kind of... scary.

And yes, I know what persecution is. I did serve 8 years in the Army and I'm well aware of what happens. I'm well aware of all the nightmares, guilt, and regret that comes with serving too. You can feel free to analyize and accuse me Coadie. But 12 years ago... I would have just blown you up. lol Today, I'm a pacifist too. So feel free to analyzes and accuse me Coadie. Honestly, I expected better of you.

We do have laws. We make laws because people like yourself have an agenda. DOMA laws are constitutional amendments

Coadie... you're saying, "We do have laws" and "We make laws" and that's because "people like yourself (meaning me) have an agenda". First, you're taking the position that the laws are "yours" and those who agree with you. Second, you're saying that "you" and people who agree with you make the laws. Thirdly, you paint "me" (and allegedly those who you think I agree with) as being on the outside of the process.

You have serious issues.

First, the laws of our land belong to ALL Americans. Second, ALL Americans have a say in the making of our laws in our political system via the vote, advocacy, and lobbying. Thirdly, my only agenda is liberty and justice for all.
Fourthly, DOMA laws call for Constitutional Amendments, they are NOT constitutional amendments. Right now the Constitution stands as it is.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by iceniez

Amen, It is a fine line . Tell the truth in love ,leave their integrity intact . Some will still be offended but offended at the Word .

Gay marriage and also our children

Canadian Gay Group Wants
Age Of Consent Lowered
February 17, 2006 - The recently elected conservative government in Canada is working on legislation to raise the age of sexual consent for heterosexual sex from 14 to 16. The gay group, Equality for Gays and Lesbians Everywhere (EGALE) is lobbying to lower the age of consent for sodomy from 18 to 16. This effort was reported by LifeSiteNews.com on February 14.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by coadie

Gay marriage and also our children

This group doesn't represent the majority of gay people. It's a radical fringe group.

It would be unfair to classify you as a Theonomist. Think Coadie. Think. Gay parents love their children too.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by coadie

Your strawman tells me you are not honest.
I was raised Mennonite and actually read the Mennonite Weekly last night. It describes many of our churches in Siberia which had over 1,000 members burried and killed by the Russians in cemetaries in town.

Pacifists are about as opposite from Muslims and Communists as it gets.
You don't know what persecution is. Do you know why you make dishonest claims? Your agenda seems to include making false caricatures.
I saw that years ago in counseling.

We do have laws. We make laws because people like yourself have an agenda. DOMA laws are constitutional amendments




President Barack Obama's political platform included full repeal of DOMA

You may need to go back.

And work on your proof texting and faulty hermeneutic ...

And learn the definition of WICKED.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Aquila

This group doesn't represent the majority of gay people. It's a radical fringe group.

It would be unfair to classify you as a Theonomist. Think Coadie. Think. Gay parents love their children too.

Do you think a gay couple can be biological parents?

Rumours of pedophilia and child molestation by gays have also long persisted. In the study, 23% of respondents admitted to having had sex with youths aged 13-15 (p. 275), while 19% felt positive about sexual activity within this age group (p. 276).

The Gay Report by Karla Jay and Allen Young, Summit Books, New York, 1979).

It's a radical fringe group.

How do you know?
Sodom and Gomoroh were a radical fringe group. Tried to have sex with strangers.

Why are gay advocates so pushy?