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03-03-2018, 04:14 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
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You see that as salvation? The exception is that they are innocent, like animals.
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They are given salvation from Hell, are they not?
Your position, regarding these, justifies these exceptions predicated on "innocence". And, I don't necessarily disagree. My position moves forward, holding that if there are any additional exceptions, they could only be predicated upon the sovereign will of God based on sincere, but incomplete, Christian faith.
But, I will admit, with regards to these exceptions the parents of the unborn, infants, and MRDD have assurance of their child's salvation, whereas Billy Graham's family does not.
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Re: Billy Graham
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They are given salvation from Hell, are they not?
Your position, regarding these, justifies these exceptions predicated on "innocence". And, I don't necessarily disagree. My position moves forward, holding that if there are any additional exceptions, they could only be predicated upon the sovereign will of God based on sincere, but incomplete, Christian faith.
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Chris, so incomplete Christian faith is the same as mental retardation, or an unborn child?
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03-03-2018, 04:19 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
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Chris, so incomplete Christian faith is the same as mental retardation, or an unborn child?
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I think some of Billy's statements were retarded. Lol
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03-03-2018, 04:24 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
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Chris, so incomplete Christian faith is the same as mental retardation, or an unborn child?
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No, seriously. I've heard preachers speak of aborting the full NT experience by not bringing the repentant to Acts 2:38.
Remember, I'm not professing that one can know for sure that a sincerely repentant Christian in a denominational tradition is saved. We can only give the issue to God, and pray He have mercy.
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03-03-2018, 04:24 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
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But, I will admit, with regards to these exceptions the parents of the unborn, infants, and MRDD have assurance of their child's salvation, whereas Billy Graham's family does not.
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You added this portion after I responded to your post.
So, again, I ask where's the argument?
Billy Graham is sadly lost, while babies are not, yet salvation is still granted to choice making adults. The Bible is dead silent on where the innocent go. I don't believe in limbo, and focus more on what we have as Biblical soteriology. If a woman marries seven men each die before her, who's wife will she be in the resurrection. Still we part at death. We are not told that families are reunited in heaven, nor should we care, because it is beyond our comprehension I suppose.
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03-03-2018, 04:28 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
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No, seriously. I've heard preachers speak of aborting the full NT experience by not bringing the repentant to Acts 2:38.
Remember, I'm not professing that one can know for sure that a traditional Christian is saved. We can only give the issue to God, and pray He have mercy. |
Which is illogical due to God being not only sovereign but LAWFUL.
Leaving it up to God to decide what? When He repeated Himself over and over and over again concerning those who refused Him as Messiah? Those who cast out devils in His name, healed in His name, did many wonderful works in His name. But are turned away? You are negating all that by wishful thinking. The Roman Catholic believes he or she can pray souls out of hell, or purgatory. Mormons baptize for the dead, and you pray to God to have mercy on reprobate false teachers? Do you get it?
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03-03-2018, 04:49 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
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Which is illogical due to God being not only sovereign but LAWFUL.
Leaving it up to God to decide what? When He repeated Himself over and over and over again concerning those who refused Him as Messiah? Those who cast out devils in His name, healed in His name, did many wonderful works in His name. But are turned away? You are negating all that by wishful thinking. The Roman Catholic believes he or she can pray souls out of hell, or purgatory. Mormons baptize for the dead, and you pray to God to have mercy on reprobate false teachers? Do you get it?
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What is the "Gospel" EB?
In simple terms.
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03-03-2018, 04:51 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
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You added this portion after I responded to your post.
So, again, I ask where's the argument?
Billy Graham is sadly lost, while babies are not, yet salvation is still granted to choice making adults. The Bible is dead silent on where the innocent go. I don't believe in limbo, and focus more on what we have as Biblical soteriology. If a woman marries seven men each die before her, who's wife will she be in the resurrection. Still we part at death. We are not told that families are reunited in heaven, nor should we care, because it is beyond our comprehension I suppose.
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So, you admit that some things are only known by God, decided and managed in accordance to His hidden counsels?
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03-03-2018, 04:54 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
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What is the "Gospel" EB?
In simple terms.
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1 Corinthians 15:1-11, Romans 1:1-4 death, burial, and resurrection contained in Acts 2:38.
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03-03-2018, 04:57 PM
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Re: Billy Graham
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So, you admit that some things are only known by God, decided and managed in accordance to His hidden counsels?
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Not salvation Chris Ephesians 1:8-12 
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