Does no one accept responsibility any more?

[ChTatum]

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

Is this yet another personal insult or jab? I took the name from a conversation Baron and I had in another thread.

Can't be personal, brother. I don't know you, and have no axe to grind. Just reading your thoughts reminded me of this story.

Read "Camp of the Saints" and "Atlas Shrugged". Yes, "Atlas Shrugged" was written in 1954 by a Russian atheist, Ayn Rand, but still pertinent today.

I pray you get the "revelation".

Originally Posted by MrRight

Man after reading all of this you got some real problems. someone gives an observation asks a quesion and you come apart at the seams. What is your deal anyway. I did notice that you nevr responded back to mow after you got upset. He did have some good points and didn't say that no one could ever get help.

I believe the first post sums up MOWs feelings well.

As for me having "real problems" as Rico, lately people have personally attacked me on this forum quit a bit. I'm a bit gun shy and frankly, I don't trust anyone. You're not allowed to be a Christian and not vote Republican. If you do you're a baby killing, pro-gay, socialist, commie. Dude, if this what Christianity is about...I'm not surprised that people think we're mindless pawns and want nothing to do with Jesus. Well...the "American Jesus" we so often present before the people.

Here's a song by Todd Agnew, titled My Jesus. The lyrics say quite a bit about what this is all about:

My Jesus
by Todd Agnew

Which Jesus do you follow?
Which Jesus do you serve?
If Ephesians says to imitate Christ
Then why do you look so much like the world?

Cause my Jesus bled and died
He spent His time with thieves and liars
He loved the poor and accosted the arrogant
So which one do you want to be?

Blessed are the poor in spirit
Or do we pray to be blessed with the wealth of this land
Blessed are they that hunger and thirst for righteousness
Or do we ache for another taste of this world of shifting sand

Cause my Jesus bled and died for my sins
He spent His time with thieves and sluts and liars
He loved the poor and accosted the rich
So which one do you want to be?

Who is this that you follow?
This picture of the American dream
If Jesus was here would you walk right by on the other side or fall down and worship at His holy feet

Pretty blue eyes and curly brown hair and a clear complexion
Is how you see Him as He dies for Your sins
But the Word says He was battered and scarred
Or did you miss that part
Sometimes I doubt we'd recognize Him

Cause my Jesus bled and died
He spent His time with thieves and the least of these
He loved the poor and accosted the comfortable
So which one do you want to be?

Cause my Jesus would never be accepted in my church
The blood and dirt on His feet would stain the carpet
But He reaches for the hurting and despised the proud
I think He'd prefer Beale St. to the stained glass crowd
And I know that He can hear me if I cry out loud

I want to be like my Jesus!
I want to be like my Jesus!

Not a posterchild for American prosperity, but like my Jesus
You see I'm tired of living for success and popularity
I want to be like my Jesus but I'm not sure what that means to be like You Jesus
Cause You said to live like You, love like You but then You died for me
Can I be like You Jesus?
I want to be like my Jesus

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srH1CCVOXBI

My Jesus was poor...a homeless man...he and the disciples gleaned from the fields of others...he never took to the sword...he loved the sinners...walked with the poor...and he defended the weak, hurting, and exploited. He was nothing like what I'm seeing in contemporary Pentecost.

Matthew 8:20
And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Matthew 12:1
At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.

[DanielR]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I read the political hoopla and the threads about what the government should do FOR us and it just seems to me like there are so many people who want the government to do everything including wiping their "nose" when they have a sniffle.

Where has personal responsibility gone?

Why is it the government's responsibility to find me a job?
Why is it the government's responsibility to heal me when I'm sick?
Why is it the governments responsibility to put food on my table?
Why is it the governments responsibility to make sure that I make enough money?
Why is it the governments responsibility to control gas prices?
Why is it the governments responsibility to tell me how to raise my kids?
Why is it the governments responsibility to bail me out of my house mortgage when I was the one who signed the contract for a bad loan deal?
Why is it the governments responsibility to bail out the airline industry or any industry for that matter? Why should I be responsible for someone's else's bad business decisions?

Have Americans really become so soft and wimpy that they can't take life by the horns, man up and do what is right?


If I can't afford health care like people who make lots of money, then I can't. No big deal. It's not their responsibility to take care of me. If I can't afford to send my kids to college, then they can join the Armed forces and get them to pay for it after they have done their duty.

There ARE jobs out there. Many of them may not pay boat loads of money, but if you can't afford your life style, they you'll just have to pare down and adjust it. It really isn't rocket science.

Don't have many job skills? GET SOME! READ A BOOK! FIGURE SOMETHING OUT! Apply yourself and stop whining.

As great a country as America has been it just really ticks me off (can you tell?) that our citizens wring their hands and whine and moan and belly ache and complain instead of getting off their fat duff and doing something about it....like work! Kill the cable bill, get rid of the expensive cell phone, stop buying cigarettes, booze, lottery tickets and stop using credit cards to finance your lifestyle!!!

Accept the responsibility! In America, there are few obstacles and "scads" of opportunities!!! Become a winner not a whiner!!



I'm MOW and I approve this message

I'm not about to read this whole thread, but I wanted to say, "Well said my friend" It's hard times, we've been there before when there were no government programs and we pulled through. We will pull through again inspite (not because) of the government programs this time.

[chosenbyone]

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

I believe Bro. Price faced a serious loss in his family recently. I believe he has seen the gaps in our system first hand. Almost everyone I know who has seen this first hand comes out an advocate for a nationalized insurance system in some form.

I totally agreed with the statement above regarding a comprehensive nationalized insurance plan for our country. I have spent my entire career working in the health care industry and the last 10 of those years in home health.

When the Medicare RX Plan was passed in 2003, I saw first hand how to many of our seniors with chronic/terminal illnesses had to discontinue their treatments because they had reached the "doughnut" where they had to pay thousands of dollars out of pocket before the drugs they were taken would be covered again.

It was absolutely gut wrenching to listen to an elderly husband/wife telling how their spouse needed their treatment, but they just couldn't afford to pay the money for the meds.

The Medicare Part D plan has been another HUGE blunder by the Bush Administration that has ended up costing the tax payers more money, because those patients that had to stop their home infusion care most likely were readmitted to the hospital where the services would be covered.

Also, I know a gentleman who has AIDS and lost his job a couple of years ago. He had COBRA and struggled to pay the several hundred dollar monthly premium and when he couldn't afford to pay it one month, he was dropped.

When he finally was able to get insurance coverage several months later, his disease progressed to where he developed horrible cancerous skin lesions (KS). He was told by his physician that if he would have continued his treatment without any disruption he would not have been dealing with this cancer today.

Our nation has given billions of dollars a year in aid to other countries while our own citizens have had to make decisions whether to eat three meals a day or take their medication as prescribed. They have been given substandard treatment for illnesses because they didn't have insurance coverage or they had Medicaid.

It is a national shame!

[DividedThigh]

Originally Posted by Tiberius Pantera

I know a guy that ate 27 ribs at tony romas.

that doesnt make me want to get the government to do something about it.

sounds delicious, dt

[nathan_slatter]

...those who favor national health care schemes should take a good, hard look at our veterans' hospitals. There is your national health care. These institutions are a national disgrace. If this is the care the government dispenses to those it honors as its most heroic and admirable citizens, why should anyone else expect to be treated any better?

Guess who said that...

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Grasshopper

My Jesus was poor...a homeless man...he and the disciples gleaned from the fields of others...he never took to the sword...he loved the sinners...walked with the poor...and he defended the weak, hurting, and exploited. He was nothing like what I'm seeing in contemporary Pentecost.

Matthew 8:20
And Jesus saith unto him, The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head.

Matthew 12:1
At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.

Jesus was not homeless. He could home any time He wanted. He was stating that He was not a part of this world's system and was not putting down roots. Jesus was not some namby pamby weakling. He was a man's man and was extremely "ticked" when He drove out the money changers from the temple with a whip.

He did fellowship the poor but there is nothing to say that he hungered all the time and repeated the above scenario. I have many times worked with the poor and am doing so now. I have and continue to defend the weak hurting and exploited.

That being said, people STILL need to take personal responsibility. It is just as much a biblical principle as helping those in need if not more so. Or have you forgotten that one? I have NEVER said that we don't help folks.

I am adamantly against supporting people who take no initiative to help themselves and want someone else to do it for them. That is what I meant in the first post and stand by it.

Obviously, your Mother was NOT one of those people who was a mooch. She used the help when it was needed and then moved on. I respect anyone who does that. I have little or no respect for those who want someone else or the government or their church to do everything for them and support them while they are wasters of what they are given. They will continue to be takers until they learn how to give. The solution is NOT a hand OUT....it is a hand UP! It is teaching, imparting and helping. It is NOT supporting them.

If you want to use your finances to support free-loaders, go for it. I won't and don't. But for someone who is trying, I'll be there for them and help them.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Jesus was not homeless. He could home any time He wanted. He was stating that He was not a part of this world's system and was not putting down roots. Jesus was not some namby pamby weakling. He was a man's man and was extremely "ticked" when He drove out the money changers from the temple with a whip.

He did fellowship the poor but there is nothing to say that he hungered all the time and repeated the above scenario. I have many times worked with the poor and am doing so now. I have and continue to defend the weak hurting and exploited.

That being said, people STILL need to take personal responsibility. It is just as much a biblical principle as helping those in need if not more so. Or have you forgotten that one? I have NEVER said that we don't help folks.

I am adamantly against supporting people who take no initiative to help themselves and want someone else to do it for them. That is what I meant in the first post and stand by it.

Obviously, your Mother was NOT one of those people who was a mooch. She used the help when it was needed and then moved on. I respect anyone who does that. I have little or no respect for those who want someone else or the government or their church to do everything for them and support them while they are wasters of what they are given. They will continue to be takers until they learn how to give. The solution is NOT a hand OUT....it is a hand UP! It is teaching, imparting and helping. It is NOT supporting them.

If you want to use your finances to support free-loaders, go for it. I won't and don't. But for someone who is trying, I'll be there for them and help them.

MOW, the scriptures certainly seem to suggest that Jesus did not have any of this world's wealth, including a home. Maybe He had a network of places he could crash at, but I do not believe He had his own home. (Keep in mind that I believe that the Earth and all its fullness were His because He was still God.)

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Rico

MOW, the scriptures certainly seem to suggest that Jesus did not have any of this world's wealth, including a home. Maybe He had a network of places he could crash at, but I do not believe He had his own home. (Keep in mind that I believe that the Earth and all its fullness were His because He was still God.)

I agree with you. The "home" I was referring to was His Mother's. I don't think He had His own home.