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02-26-2007, 09:10 PM
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All have sinned and short of the glory of God.Hitler needed a saviour,he wasn't borned again.I don't think anyone gets a second chance after death.
The wages of sin is death.Damnation is final.
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02-26-2007, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Berkeley
If I was born Hitler..... I'd have almost obliterated some jews...
what is the point of this thread?
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The point of this thread is simply, in the context of Hilter's life, did he really have a reasonable opportunity to come to true faith?
If you compare your life context to this guy, didn't you have a tremendous advantage, a much better probability of coming to salvation?
How would you have fared if you had been born into a much different home, that of white racist parents, or suffered all kinds of physical and sexual abuse as a child, or had been exposed to the same forces that shaped Hitler's personality? I have no confidence that I would have turned out any better than he did.
Last, I have every confidence that the difference between Hitler and me is NOT a simple matter of my having made better free choices than he did.
I believe in free will only within the context of our lives, but more so I accept the Pauline assertion that our destiny "depends not on human will or exertion, but on God who shows mercy" ( Romans 9.16). Yet I am not a Calvinists.
Source: T. Talbott http:// www.willamette.edu
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02-26-2007, 11:10 PM
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How can someone who dies lost be purged and then join the redeemed?
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02-26-2007, 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by OneAccord
And now... from our Baptist friends...
J hn 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever
believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Everyone is savable, if "savable" is a word.
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You are mistaken most Baptists do not believe everyone is savable. Most are Calvinists, who believe the majority of human beings "the unelected" were actually born for damnation. And that others "the election" are born for redemption. At the very least that is the sum total.
However, that is not the subject of this thread.
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02-26-2007, 11:14 PM
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I don't care about being born Hitler, I am just trying to make sure I don't end up like he did.
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02-26-2007, 11:16 PM
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I guess at Judgement day the Lord God would say off to hell you devil..
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So, you actually feel good about a human (any human) being cast into actual literal fire endlessly?
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02-26-2007, 11:18 PM
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Hitler needed more chocolate in his diet. He really did.... And then he should have shared it. They have kosher chocolate. He could have shared that with his enemies...Not wait , he was the enemy. Hmm. Oh well, Can I have a truffle now? Or did I have to answer this in a profound manner? Truffle now, please!!
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02-26-2007, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Carpenter
I don't care about being born Hitler, I am just trying to make sure I don't end up like he did.
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This is a very valid consideration, truth is most of us given the same circumstances would not have fared any better.
Will Hitler receive consideration for the awful circumstances in which he was bred and nurtured?
Please, don't consider this in any way a defense of the man's behavior, it is not.
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02-26-2007, 11:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LadyChocolate
Hitler needed more chocolate in his diet. He really did.... And then he should have shared it. They have kosher chocolate. He could have shared that with his enemies...Not wait , he was the enemy. Hmm. Oh well, Can I have a truffle now? Or did I have to answer this in a profound manner? Truffle now, please!! ![You are killing me!](images/smilies/killinme.gif)
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Your humor is welcome, so you feel Chocolate would have help the man?
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02-26-2007, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
All have sinned and short of the glory of God.Hitler needed a saviour,he wasn't borned again.I don't think anyone gets a second chance after death.
The wages of sin is death.Damnation is final.
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Bro. Scott, what of those that don't get even a first "chance"?? Surely you don't believe the fable that all men receive a reasonable opportunity in this physical life.
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