Are There Co Equal God Persons?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by jfrog

The issue with Trinitarianism is that they have the word person well defined, but refuse to apply it to the One Being that is God even though it would otherwise be applicable. Ultimately it should end up as them having both 3 persons and 1 person (not a contradiction as it's in different ways and different respects) but it's interesting nonetheless.

The problem with Oneness is that they have crafted a definition of person to exclude the Father, Son and Holy Spirit from being defined as one (which is why you find manifestations/personas/etc as a term to describe those 3 in oneness circles).

There's alot of sematics going on here (not only but alot).

So let's start with defining our term, what is your definition of person and why don't the Father, Son and Holy Spirit qualify as persons?

Many of their leading apologists say that the word "person" in the ancient sense meant something more akin to a mask that an actor would put on, and that we should not confuse the modern use of "person" with the ancient. If that is truly the case, then what is their problem with us?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Many of their leading apologists say that the word "person" in the ancient sense meant something more akin to a mask that an actor would put on, and that we should not confuse the modern use of "person" with the ancient. If that is truly the case, then what is their problem with us?

Because unlike jfrog, Trinitarians see persons as separate individuals.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by jfrog

See above

Ok, a person is a being.

So, Trinitarians believe in three separate beings.

Wow.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Person has always carried with it the connotation of a being that is self conscious. That's what separates a human being from the animals and you'll note that we don't refer to animals as persons.

Ok, so that means there isn't a dove on a perch in heaven?

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by jfrog

The unkind characterization of what you are doing is straw man

The more kind description is that your arguing semantics. For you the word person only describes human beings. For others it describes much more. They use the word differently than you and using words differently doesn’t make anyone wrong.

The real truth of the matter is that I was posting a definition of person. I thought that was the point of the post.

Here’s the relevant portion of the post:
“So let's start with defining our term, what is your definition of person and why don't the Father, Son and Holy Spirit qualify as persons?”

To which I responded:
Good idea. A person is a human being.

noun
per·​son | \ ˈpər-sᵊn \
Definition
1 : HUMAN, INDIVIDUAL —sometimes used in combination especially by those who prefer to avoid man in compounds applicable to both sexes

“I’m not trying to be hard on the trinitarians, but it seems to me that there is a fundamental problem with the doctrine. There are not three persons in the Godhead. There is only one person. Aaaand the fullness of the Godhead dwelleth in Him. God is a Spirit (by definition not a person). The Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost is obviously not a person, but a Spirit. Jesus is the only person, and the fullness of the Godhead dwelleth in Him, bodily.”

I really can’t see the straw man point being valid. The semantics point isn’t valid either. I merely posted the first (and most common) Merriam Webster definition of person. And pointed out that a person is by definition not a spirit but is a human being. I responded to your (jfrog’s) post.

Where did I go wrong?

[james34]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Every denomination, schism or cult have prohibitions against pointing out clear contradictions of doctrines.

Not one god , devil fought, blood bought, sanctified , baptized , born again , tongue talking , holy rolling peeps... do they

[Tithesmeister]

Originally Posted by james34

Not one god , devil fought, blood bought, sanctified , baptized , born again , tongue talking , holy rolling peeps... do they

Have you tried pointing out the misinformation of the tithing doctrine lately?

Try that and get back to me.

[james34]

Originally Posted by Tithesmeister

Have you tried pointing out the misinformation of the tithing doctrine lately?

Try that and get back to me.

Or that the greatest purpose of the one God message was not to refute the Trinitarian doctrine

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by james34

Not one god , devil fought, blood bought, sanctified , baptized , born again , tongue talking , holy rolling peeps... do they

Have you asked about beards?

[james34]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Have you asked about beards?

Thou knowest thou shalt not any facial hair!