Holiness dress standards-salvation or consecration

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

If one dresses immodestly they should expect to go to Hell.

No offense Michael, but while I agree with you that if one dresses immodestly to incite sinful passions, to seduce, to show off wealth, position, or power they are in sin... modesty as it is typically defined in most churches is very relative.

For example, one pastor I know teaches that nude panty hose are immodest. Another teaches that it doesn't matter. One feels high heels are immodesty, another doesn't. One feels the color red is immodest on a woman, another doesn't. One sees open toe shoes as immodest, another doesn't.

I believe the intent and disposition of the heart is what determines if a state of immodesty is sin or not.

Immodesty is a multifaceted topic. For example, Isaiah prophesied against Egypt and Ethiopia in the nude for 3 years, demonstrating that they would be taken captive and led away in shameful bondage by the Assyrians. Was this demonstrative preaching immodest? Yes, purposefully so. However, was Isaiah any less "holy"? No.

Why?

Because true holiness is a disposition of the heart towards God.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by consapente89

There may be a process of sanctification, but if these things are continued in spite of my enlightenment to their sinful nature, then I have not been converted. The New Birth is more than a 3 step check list. It is a transformation.

So if one does not get a haircut or quit smoking within ________ amount of time they were never really saved?

[Aquila]

Holiness is simply... being conformed into the likeness of Jesus. And sanctification is that process.

Some of the biggest devils I've ever known were "spit and polished" men and women who upheld "the standards" to the letter.

But I've seen men and women who do not uphold such standards who truly reflect the love, devotion, and reality of Jesus in their lives.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Aquila

No offense Michael, but while I agree with you that if one dresses immodestly to incite sinful passions, to seduce, to show off wealth, position, or power they are in sin... modesty as it is typically defined in most churches is very relative.

For example, one pastor I know teaches that nude panty hose are immodest. Another teaches that it doesn't matter. One feels high heels are immodesty, another doesn't. One feels the color red is immodest on a woman, another doesn't. One sees open toe shoes as immodest, another doesn't.

I believe the intent and disposition of the heart is what determines if a state of immodesty is sin or not.

Immodesty is a multifaceted topic. For example, Isaiah prophesied against Egypt and Ethiopia in the nude for 3 years, demonstrating that they would be taken captive and led away in shameful bondage by the Assyrians. Was this demonstrative preaching immodest? Yes, purposefully so. However, was Isaiah any less "holy"? No.

Why?

Because true holiness is a disposition of the heart towards God.

Cant argue with that.

[Aquila]

I also believe it is important to note that within most churches in the Apostolic movement, "modesty standards", or what some call, "holiness standards", are only "based on" biblical principles, they are not specified, codified, or explicitly commanded in the Scriptures themselves. For example, while most would say that skirts and dresses are typically more modest than most women's jeans, nowhere is a prohibition against women wearing pants explicitly stated. In addition, there is nothing in Scripture that mandates that skirts or dresses be two inches above the ankles, mid-calf, or two inches below the knee, which are contradictory standards often preached in different churches. All of these "standards" are purely human innovations and traditional manners and customs within Pentecost.

And that's just the honest the truth.

[Amanah]

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Amanah

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by berkeley

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[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Let's say I'm a sinner and wear my hair long and smoke cigars.

I go to the Wesleyan Church and they tell me I need to get a hair cut and stop smoking cigars. I comply. I am still lost. My standards didn't save me.

I attend an Apostolic church. I go to the altar and speak in tongues. They baptize me in Jesus name. I continue to wear my hair long and smoke cigars. I am still lost. I continued my sinful lifestyle.

I go to the Apostolic Church. I get convicted of my sin and turn to God in repentance. I get baptized in Jesus name and filled with the Holy Ghost. I cut my hair, quit smoking cigars, get rid of Hollywood and AFF. Now I'm saved because I was born again and began to walk in holiness.

Well, that was exhausting. LOL!

[berkeley]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

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