IRS and the "Lost" Emails

[Jermyn Davidson]

Interesting article on the "facts" concerning this scandal.

The IRS person went to the "Old Executive Office"-- not the White House, and the discussions were about IRS role in Obamacare implementation.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...irvoyant.html#

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Interesting article on the "facts" concerning this scandal.

The IRS person went to the "Old Executive Office"-- not the White House, and the discussions were about IRS role in Obamacare implementation.

1) Interesting you believe one sentence with no supporting evidence, from an obviously biased blogger on the notoriously left wing Daily Beast.

2) Let's say the White House logs were wrong, and Lerner actually visited the Old Executive Office building and not the White House.

This is even more damning. The OEOB (Old Executive Office Bldg) houses the Executive Office of the President. White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough heads the EOP.

It's also next door to the White House.

So, tell me, why would Lois Lerner be visiting the Executive Office of the President over 100 times? If this hack is correct, and I have high doubts as I haven't found anything besides this blog refuting her visits to the White House, why would Lois Lerner be going to the EOP at the Executive bldg and not the White House? Also, IIRC, even Jay Carney didn't refute this, but rather said her visits were due to Obamacare.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Sooo... when is anyone going to bring this point up with the IRS, and demand to see the backup of their computers?

There should be redundancy. Backups on the servers that are also duplicated on other hard drives to protect data

But more than that, I heard there is a law that all emails pertaining to policy also has to have a hard copy

[n david]

FACT, after these "lost" emails or crashed hard drive, the IRS cancelled its 6yr contract with a tech agency who could have recovered the info.

Lerner's computer crashed in June 2011, but it was not until August 31, 2011 that the agency ended its six year relationship with the email-archiving company Sonasoft.

Lerner's missing emails are from January 2009 to April 2011, which is well within the timeframe that Sonasoft was employed.

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[Praxeas]

How convenient...and even more so...the hard drives were recycled? Huh? Did they even TRY to get the data recovered? Send it to a firm that specializes in that?

[n david]

#boom

The top U.S. official in charge of archiving federal records testified Tuesday that the IRS ran afoul of the law by neglecting to tell his office that a trove of emails from the woman at the center of the targeting scandal disappeared after an apparent hard drive crash...

Archivist of the U.S. David Ferriero, speaking before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, made clear that federal agencies are supposed to report whenever their records are destroyed or even accidentally deleted. But he said that after emails from embattled IRS official Lois Lerner vanished after a computer failure in 2011, nobody told the National Archives...

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As much as I hate the thought of this, because Lois Lerner deserves to be jailed for her role in this scandal....Issa needs to call her lawyer(s) and make a deal.

Full and absolute disclosure of those emails, who they were sent to, what the contents were and if anyone in the White House - Obama, Jarrett, or his Chief of Staff McDonough gave the order or "suggestion" to do what she did.

Makes me puke a little in my mouth, but right now it seems that's the only way to find out what happened and who's involved.

[aegsm76]

If I am Lerner, I turn down the plea deal.
If I take a plea, then I alienate my base.
If I do not take a plea, in a few years I can rack up the money on speaking fees.

[n david]

"A federal judge has ordered the IRS to explain 'under oath' how the agency lost a trove of emails from the official at the heart of the Tea Party targeting scandal.

U.S. District Judge Emmet G. Sullivan gave the tax agency 30 days to file a declaration by an 'appropriate official' to address the computer issues with ex-official Lois Lerner.

The decision came Thursday as part of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch, which along with GOP lawmakers on Capitol Hill has questioned how the IRS lost the emails and, in some cases, had no apparent way to retrieve them.

The IRS first acknowledged it lost the emails in a letter to senators last month.

'In our view, there has been a cover-up that has been going on,' Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton said. 'The Department of Justice, the IRS, had an obligation, an absolute obligation ... to alert the court and alert Judicial Watch as soon as they knew when these records were supposedly lost.'"

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[n david]

Rep. Stockman files motion to arrest Lois Lerner:

The text of the resolution, H.Res. 664, follows.

Providing for the arrest of Lois G. Lerner to answer the charge of contempt of Congress

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Mr. STOCKMAN submitted the following resolution, which was referred to the Committee on ______________

RESOLUTION

Providing for the arrest of Lois G. Lerner to answer the charge of contempt of Congress

Whereas Lois G. Lerner, former Director, Exempt Organizations, Internal Revenue Service, has been found to be in contempt of Congress for willfully and intentionally refusing to comply with a congressional subpoena duly issued by the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, thereby obstructing the Congress in the lawful exercise of its constitutionally mandated legislative powers; and,

Whereas such behavior is an insult to the dignity of the House of Representatives, an attack upon the integrity of its proceedings, works violence upon the rights of the House collectively, and therefore implicates the long-recognized inherent power of the House to punish and commit for contempt, privileged under the Constitution; and,

Whereas recent history with similarly contumacious and insolent witnesses such as Eric Himpton Holder, Junior, strongly suggests that the present statutory judicial rubric set up to punish and reform such insubordinate and obstructionist witnesses would be ineffective in this case, as it is likely that the US Attorney for the District of Columbia would refuse to perform his lawful duty to bring the offending contemnor Lerner before a Grand Jury and prosecute the same for her misconduct pursuant to section 104 of the Revised Statutes of the United States (2 U.S.C. 194) and section 102 of the Revised Statutes of the United States (2 U.S.C. 192); and,

Whereas the executive and judicial branches’ prolonged and dawdling failure to prosecute Attorney General Holder’s insolent contempt of the 112th Congress strongly suggests that a like proceeding against contemnor Lerner would be similarly futile, and the threat of such prosecution has clearly been insufficient to encourage contemnor Lerner to be honest and candid with the Congress regarding the heinous actions of the Internal Revenue Service;

Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That the Speaker issue his warrant, directed to the Sergeant-at-Arms, or his deputy, commanding him to arrest and take into custody forthwith, wherever to be found, the body of Lois G. Lerner, and bring her to the bar of the House without delay to answer to the charge of contempt of its authority, breach of its privileges, and gross and wanton insult to the integrity of its proceedings, and in the meantime keep the body of Lerner in his custody in the common jail of the District of Columbia, subject to the further order of the House. While in custody, Lerner shall enjoy no special privileges beyond those extended to her fellow inmates, shall not access any computer or telephone, and shall not be visited by anyone other than her counsel, clergy, physician, or family.

[n david]

This motion by Rep Stockman will be hard for the Democrats to go against. Nancy Pelosi claimed during the W Presidency that the Democrat-controlled House would arrest Karl Rove were he to step in the halls of Congress. CNN tried helping out by televising where Rove could be held if/when arrested. The NYT laid out a case as to how and why the House should exercise its authority to arrest those in contempt of Congress.

But of course, these are Democrats we're talking about. They live by a different standard and set of rules.

Remember the "nuclear option" former leader Trent Lott mentioned using when it was the Democrats obstructing and refusing to vote on W's judicial nominees? They were on the Sunday talk shows whining about how it would ruin Congress if Lott and the Republicans used the nuclear option.

Yet fast forward a decade and it's Reid and the Democrats who pushed the button and used the nuclear option.

And if you require any more proof, just read any of what Senator obama complained about President Bush...then see what President obama has done to continue and expand what he's on record being against.

It's all politics. Both sides have varying views, depending on who's in the WH and who has control of Congress.