2014 BOTT Quote in Context

[Abiding Now]

I'm pretty sure JA will NOT be preaching BOTT again.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

I'm pretty sure JA will NOT be preaching BOTT again.

I'm not....

[Michael The Disciple]

This is how far "Christians" have fallen.

Did he ever repent for his "magician" play? Was he supposed to be in the ministry? Don't people know magicians are under the penalty of Hell?

And of late EVERYWHERE I am among "Christians" people are calling each other "idiots" or "retards". The way I read the teaching of Yeshua such people also face the fires of Hell.

This is the kind of example the modern Christian has?

[n david]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

This is how far "Christians" have fallen.

Did he ever repent for his "magician" play? Was he supposed to be in the ministry? Don't people know magicians are under the penalty of Hell?

And of late EVERYWHERE I am among "Christians" people are calling each other "idiots" or "retards". The way I read the teaching of Yeshua such people also face the fires of Hell.

This is the kind of example the modern Christian has?

I doubt sleight of hand tricks will send anyone to hell.

[bkstokes]

Originally Posted by n david

If there is a possible criticism, it may be from those who don't believe in a Pastor-led church...versus a plural of Elders. The message was very top-heavy, ie, the Pastor is responsible for the church and what a Pastor does affects the whole church.

Again, I do believe leadership is reflected in the congregation, and have seen good and bad leaders who have had good and bad effects on the church they minister.

Regarding a pastor lead church please read Jon Zen: 58 to 0, and The Pastor has no clothes; also Frank Viola Pagan Christianity.

The CEO lead church is itself a business.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

And of late EVERYWHERE I am among "Christians" people are calling each other "idiots" or "retards". The way I read the teaching of Yeshua such people also face the fires of Hell.

This is the kind of example the modern Christian has?

You are right, after I read this post, I apoligized to another Christian for Calling him an Idiot, of course I still disagree with him, but there is no need to insult someone for believing something completly wrong.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by n david

I doubt sleight of hand tricks will send anyone to hell.

Are they not promoting magic? Glorifying it even while standing in the "house of God"?

Truly there is almost no fear of God today.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by FlamingZword

You are right, after I read this post, I apoligized to another Christian for Calling him an Idiot, of course I still disagree with him, but there is no need to insult someone for believing something completly wrong.

Praise YAH brother!

[Fionn mac Cumh]

I dont understand, he got flack for that? I have heard other prominent preachers say that if you are pastoring a church and you dont have growth you are doing something wrong. This is from a pastor of a huge church in a small city.

[FlamingZword]

Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

I dont understand, he got flack for that? I have heard other prominent preachers say that if you are pastoring a church and you dont have growth you are doing something wrong. This is from a pastor of a huge church in a small city.

I do not know exaclty what side you are on, but this is my take from years of experience.

The truth is that a healthy church does have growth, it is the sick churches which eventually wither and die.

I have seen churches die, and it was sad that the Pastors did not understand tha they were the cause for their own churches death. It all comes from the top.

Those pastors blame their congregation or other factors for the death of their church, but the truth is that around them other similar churches were thriving and growing.
If the church in the next block is growing, how can the fault be in the area or city?