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Originally Posted by NewbieMisfits
Right, (and enjoy your day tomorrow)..
Ok, I'm not going to repeat the whole thread, but our issue is that we've witnessed SOOOooooo many become "saved" mostly by Baptist standards <don't laugh to hard there< but indeed the next day or a week or... what we personally witness in them shows Nothing that changed, nothing that supports their Claim of being Christian.
With that, we cannot bring it to ourselves that becoming a Christian can be that simple. We feel yes, everyone needs to be saved, but we also feel the Churches have made this WAY to simple! Maybe this is for numbers, maybe for members, maybe for money, maybe because they honestly think that's the way it is....
We simply cannot bring it to ourselves to give respect to someone claiming Christian who cannot support it.... This is why we equally feel we must change ourselves inward & outward before claiming such a commitment to God.
So then maybe we are being judgmental?
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Every time you sin, every time you do wrong, everytime you are not perfect is a time that someone may say "look he was saved the apostolic way and there is nothing to support his claim of being a Christian".
Somewhere in this world there is a drug addict begging God for forgiveness right now. And God will forgive him and that drug addict will go back to his addiction and ask for forgiveness and on and on until one day he dies.
And there's also another man whose done good among men and is well liked and respected who will stand in church and pray "Thank God I'm not like that sinner drug addict who comes in here a few weeks every 4 or 5 months and then goes back to his drugs".
I seem to recall Jesus condemning one of those men...
Which man is more Christian? The one who acts as if he believes in the unconditional forgiveness of God bought for us by the blood of Jesus or the one who trusts in his own righteousness?
Luke 18
9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”
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