Local Baptist Pastor falls

[Luke]

From their own website saga section:
The irreverent sense of humor started with the creative menu saga written by Ken. It combined nicely with the most important element, the beautiful and vivacious Hooters Girls.

From wikipedia:
Hooters is a restaurant whose..waiting staff..are primarily young, attractive waitresses usually referred to simply as "Hooter Girls" whose revealing outfits and..sex appeal..is played up and is a primary component of the company's image.

This is not a family restaurant and is definitely not a place for Christians.

[The Lemon]

Having nothing to go on except what was initially posted on the subject; I can't help but see a case of two extremes. One is the extreme of the former pastor who messed up....then the over correction trying to be made by the elder in emphasizing dress and outward appearance.

On the surface it seems that the elder is harping on waht he percieves as a problem and quite possibly the root cause of the pastors mistake...that is a rookie move, regardless of his age or tenure...if that is the case.

You can't "punish" the people for the the conduct of one individual. Holiness is a heart issue, not a pants, hair, make-up, shorts, or mixed bathing issue. It is ridiculous to think any man can legislate Holiness and make some sort of checklist and then claim principle.

Modesty is a principle, dictated by the move of the Spirit in a persons life, and reagrdless of argument, it is heavily influenced by culture. Motive and intent - jumping from one extreme to another is not the answer. If anything, these people need healing, not a super preacher...

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Luke

My point was that it is part of our behavior not separate and it can be a very telling part of our behavior.

As to the adultery comment I am also confused as to it's relevance

So, if a woman wears pants instead of a skirt or dress it means what? How is she going to behave any differently?

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by The Lemon

Having nothing to go on except what was initially posted on the subject; I can't help but see a case of two extremes. One is the extreme of the former pastor who messed up....then the over correction trying to be made by the elder in emphasizing dress and outward appearance.

On the surface it seems that the elder is harping on waht he percieves as a problem and quite possibly the root cause of the pastors mistake...that is a rookie move, regardless of his age or tenure...if that is the case.

You can't "punish" the people for the the conduct of one individual. Holiness is a heart issue, not a pants, hair, make-up, shorts, or mixed bathing issue. It is ridiculous to think any man can legislate Holiness and make some sort of checklist and then claim principle.

Modesty is a principle, dictated by the move of the Spirit in a persons life, and reagrdless of argument, it is heavily influenced by culture. Motive and intent - jumping from one extreme to another is not the answer. If anything, these people need healing, not a super preacher...

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Luke

From their own website saga section:
The irreverent sense of humor started with the creative menu saga written by Ken. It combined nicely with the most important element, the beautiful and vivacious Hooters Girls.

From wikipedia:
Hooters is a restaurant whose..waiting staff..are primarily young, attractive waitresses usually referred to simply as "Hooter Girls" whose revealing outfits and..sex appeal..is played up and is a primary component of the company's image.

This is not a family restaurant and is definitely not a place for Christians.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by supertone

Sorry to get off topic here... I've never been to a hooters and I'm not sure they even have them here in my country but isn't hooters a family restaurant? I've seen movies or television shows where people go there and it seems like a pretty average sort of place. They serve alcohol but most restaurants do.

It is basically a TGIFriday's, except with their signature "Hooters Girls" as waitresses. We have one just a few blocks from our house but we have yet to go since Fridays is right next door and PF Changs is on the other side.

[Evenuntodeath]

Originally Posted by returnman

Just had a pastor from a very large baptist church announce his sin to the church. Very parallel to TB/Memphis. I really did like the guy and feel bad and know several families and friends that I grew up with that attend.

Close friend of ours was telling us that one of the elders in his 70's has been filling the pulpit the last couple of services preaching on outward appearance, dress, etc. She said the place is in an uproar and is afraid they will lose many if this keeps up. Kind of brings me to this thought. I didn't hear anyone upset enough to leave when the sin was announced but now that this type of preaching is coming forth the talk has turned to such.

good point.

[houston]

Originally Posted by Evenuntodeath

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good point.

No it is not.

[houston]

Hooters isn't as horrific as some people make it sound. The girls are not that hot, but that may be determined by geographical location.

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by Luke

From their own website saga section:
The irreverent sense of humor started with the creative menu saga written by Ken. It combined nicely with the most important element, the beautiful and vivacious Hooters Girls.

From wikipedia:
Hooters is a restaurant whose..waiting staff..are primarily young, attractive waitresses usually referred to simply as "Hooter Girls" whose revealing outfits and..sex appeal..is played up and is a primary component of the company's image.

This is not a family restaurant and is definitely not a place for Christians.

That is funny!

So, if you were to go to an all-you-can-eat place and there was a group of "young, attractive" women there would you leave or would you be craving the General Tso's Chicken so bad you would stay?

Christians should go everywhere and do everything too! How can one be the light of the world if the are constantly never turned on...ummmm not mean sexually.

But seriously... I understand if YOU may not want to go there or feel comfortable there. But making broad-brush-statements like yours above is nuts.

Wings anyone?