The Great Tribulation

[Truthseeker]

I do know the Lord knew what he was talking about, that's why its impossible to believe in a future trib spoken of in Matt 24. He said it I believe it! "YOU see these things". Not "They".

[AreYouReady?]

I believe it too...only I believe that the "you" he was talking to are all believers down through the ages just like salvation in Acts 2:38 is for all who are "afar off" even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Did "they" see the abomination of Desolation spoken by the Prophet Daniel? Is there any recorded history about all (the entire world) receiving the mark in the right hand or forehead so that one cannot buy or sell without it? There was not the technology back in that day. The whole world could not see what is happening in the streets before the 20th century.

The verses in Matthew below have not been fulfilled yet.

27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 ¶Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

And this is just a small sample of the things that have not happened yet.

[bbyrd009]

Ok, well, this is not a new argument,
and it surely is not going to be settled here.
My guess is that you both are somewhat right;
or neither

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I do know the Lord knew what he was talking about, that's why its impossible to believe in a future trib spoken of in Matt 24. He said it I believe it! "YOU see these things". Not "They".

Ok impossible to believe in a future trib? Well the trib the Lord Yeshua spoke of was the one he said spoken by Daniel the Prophet. Thats what he refers to.

Now lets see if it already happened:

1 And at that time shall Michael stand up , the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered , every one that shall be foundwritten in the book.2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake , some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. Dan 12:1-3

The great trib Yeshua spoke of was what Daniel said.

Daniel said THEN would come the RESURRECTION.

Yeshua confirmed this and said "immediately after the trib he would gather his elect". So if the trib has passed the preterists have the dubious position that the RESURRECTION IS PAST making themselves into heretics.

Well if thats the way they want it so be it. We are just trying to help.

[houston]

Originally Posted by "Michael The Disciple

if the trib has passed the preterists have the dubious position that the RESURRECTION IS PAST making themselves into heretics.

Well if thats the way they want it so be it. We are just trying to help.

Ouch!

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

Ok, well, this is not a new argument,
and it surely is not going to be settled here.
My guess is that you both are somewhat right;
or neither

Well bbyrd, my friend, it don't matter to me what somebody's end opinion is. They are free to believe what they want. Those people who believe it is past are going to be surprised and terrified when they find themselves under the beast system rule.

I just believe that current events are right in accord with biblical prophecy from the major prophets and from Revelation. I see no indication that all of that is done and gone. If that were the case, there would be no crime, no wars, no people scamming and cheating one another, no federal reserve, no corruption in governments, no election of these people who lie to us.

We would have a just and righteous ruler, Yeshua ! who would rule with the rod of iron, righteousness, fairness, love and kindness. With Yeshua ruling, we would have no need of Congress or presidents, dictators whatever this world's system has in place. There would be no NATO, for there will be no wars. There would be no World Vision as there would be no hunger.

[shag]

:34

I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.
New Living Translation (©2007)
I tell you the truth, this generation will not pass from the scene until all these things take place.

English Standard Version (©2001)
Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

International Standard Version (©2008)
I tell you with certainty, this generation will not disappear until these things happen.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Amen, I say to you that this generation will not pass away until all these things happen.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"I can guarantee this truth: This generation will not disappear until all these things take place.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

American King James Version
Truly I say to you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

American Standard Version
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Amen I say to you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

Darby Bible Translation
Verily I say to you, This generation will not have passed away until all these things shall have taken place.

English Revised Version
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished.

Webster's Bible Translation
Verily I say to you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things shall be fulfilled.

Weymouth New Testament
I tell you in solemn truth that the present generation will certainly not pass away without all these things having first taken place.

World English Bible
Most certainly I tell you, this generation will not pass away, until all these things are accomplished.

Young's Literal Translation
Verily I say to you, this generation may not pass away till all these may come to pass.








carry on.

[AreYouReady?]

Well...not all those things came to pass yet.

[houston]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Well...not all those things came to pass yet.

ROFLOL! So Jesus lied to them? Or He changed His mind? Or...?

[AreYouReady?]

No. Yeshua did not lie to them.

Why do you think this is funny?

I already explained earlier about the pronoun use of "you".

You all answer this:

If the great tribulation already happened, why does sin abound on this earth?

If he had returned right after the trib in that generation, then we would not be living under these conditions we now live in. That is a simple conclusion.

There would not have been emperors, dictators, presidents, the inquisition, the incessant wars, poverty, diseases, genetically modified food, clones, chimeras, poisoning the earth, the food, legislating good food out of existence and all the evil mankind is doing to God's creation. That is a simple conclusion also for Jesus would be our King here on earth as it is in Heaven. He would not allow man to run roughshod over another.

Please explain to me how Jesus would allow elitist men to run roughshod over the people in this world if the great tribulation had happened already? Especially since He promised to come in the clouds with great power and glory to bind Satan and his minions. Explain to me in history where one entity caused all to take a mark so that they could not buy or sell?

What the earth, the economy, the nations of the world being divided up into 10 regions which will have presidents (kings) over each region and the coming one world currency and mark, all nations going to a central bank run by the World Bank....all this is just "birth pangs".

If you think this is funny, then you have your priorities all wrong. You are flipping away the many scriptures that prove the great tribulation did not happen ...yet.