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Old 06-16-2011, 05:25 AM
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Re: The Gap Theory

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Next He created new life forms to replace those destroyed by His former judgment of the earth. These were distinctly different creatures who multiply only in kind and in distinct habitations. They are very much like the ones living on the earth today.

Earlier life forms that existed prior to the Lord's judgment of the earth were similar but also included creatures that He did not replace.

Evidence of these extinct life forms are found in the fossil discoveries today like large reptilian creatures.

Dinosaurs existed before Genesis 1:2 and they were not replaced by the Lord when He created the new life forms recorded in Genesis 1:20-26.

Claims have been made in modern times that some of these still exist, but they are not convincing.

There has been speculation that two creatures described in the book of Job are dinosaurs which coexisted with humans and lived in Job's day.

Careful analysis of behemoth and leviathan as they are described leads to a very different conclusion. [Job 40:15-24, 41:1-34]

The first one is the manatee, or dugong, and the second one is the legendary crocodile. Neither of these should be confused with the dinosaurs of the pre-Adamite earth.

Manatees are aquatic air breathing mammals who spend much of their time eating marsh and under water grasses. The Biblical description says that behemoth eats grass like the ox.

The manatee has a very large unique tail which can rotate in any direction and is used to propel it through the water.

The design of the tail, very strong diaphragm muscles, and sensitive snout feelers used for detection in searching for food are described in scripture.

The creature's rear appendages are merged together internally to form its multi-directional tail. This provides the power and flexibility for the large manatee to move through the water at amazing speed.

Movement of the tail is much like the movement of a large tree swaying in the wind. The statement "it moves its tail like a cedar" is used to describe this action.

They have large thick tails. The largest manatee on record in modern times is about 3,500 pounds.

This creature also has the densest bones of any other known animal. The bones have no marrow and are exceptionally strong.

The bones are so dense and thick that when the manatee expounds enough air from its lungs, it sinks immediately to the bottom of the water like a submarine. This bone structure is described in Scripture.

The Manatee has a very humble spirit and is described in contrast to leviathan who is mean spirited and aggressive.

Behemoth's temperament is described as the "chief ways of the Lord", or primary and receptive behavior. Leviathan displays the opposite trait of His latent wrath.

Manatees inhabited costal waters of the Red Sea, Persian Gulf, and associated river systems like the Jordan in Job's day. This is the Biblical description of the manatee (dugong, sea cow).

The description of leviathan is a dead ringer for the crocodile. This creature has both a larger pre-Adamite fossil record and a more recent smaller version which is described in the book of Job.

Even the smaller version of this obnoxious reptilian is extremely dangerous and highly implacable.

They are at the top of the food chain and known for their fearless aggressive behavior. The Bible's description is accurate and appropriate.

The sparks, fire, and smoke that proceed from his mouth are symbolic of his great wrath when he is in attack mode. He does not actually produce the sparks, fire, and smoke, but one might think so if ever confronted by this killing machine.

The crocodile's angry, relentless, and sudden attack is very much like the Lord's wrath in judgment which is often described with symbolic fire and brimstone.

The Lord's final act associated with the reconditioning of the earth about 6,000 years ago was the creation of human kind. We are distinctly different from all of the other living creatures including the angelic beings.

We are spirits with physical bodies created in His own image. No other beings of his creation have this distinction.
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Excellent point, I never looked at it that way. So do you subscribe to the probability of a primordial flood (from God's wrath, like Noah's flood) during the "gap".
Yes I do. In fact that is why God promised Noah there would be no more flooding. Noah might stop and think to himself why God would ever say that if Noah's flood was the only one that ever occurred. But if this was the SECOND flood, then it gives more impact for God to make the promise.
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Here's an issue for me with regards to the Gap Theory...

While the Gap Theory appears to offer an interpretation to allow for an ancient earth... science decries the very possibility of a global catastrophe that allegedly occured prior to Genesis 1:2.

So it seeks to please science and accept scientific data... by claiming something that science has found absolutely no evidence for.
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"Yes I do. In fact that is why God promised Noah there would be no more flooding. Noah might stop and think to himself why God would ever say that if Noah's flood was the only one that ever occurred. But if this was the SECOND flood, then it gives more impact for God to make the promise."

Good point ....I agree .... the earth was covered with a pre-Adamite deluge as the result of a prior judgment [most likely the same judgment against satan and his fallen ones] [2Peter 3:3-7]
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"While the Gap Theory appears to offer an interpretation to allow for an ancient earth... science decries the very possibility of a global catastrophe that allegedly occured prior to Genesis 1:2."

I doubt that those who claim this can prove it

...... but we can know that the Bible has the real deal
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many christian archelogist and scientist, would disagree with your gap truth Files and many would agree with you

Though your Interpretations is welcomed. I personally dont agree with it.

One archeologist talked about the cone theory, and he did this to refute evolutionist, but in this the earth sediment which is all over the world , as we both agree would represent the Flood, really isnt that Old.

Though when carbon dating dino bones there not that old as well either. and so they do not recognize carbon dating and what science does is give them a predetermened rock date, that science has formulated.

There have been archelogical finds with dinasours on pottery drawings, artworks etc. and this with cutlures 2000+ years old. These dinosaurs (which got there name in the 1940-50's) was visually seen in order to make artworf of them.

Dino and human foot prints found together.

I believe the dinos were killed off in the Flood.

Is it possible to have a gap theory sure it is. But again i believe this is why God gave us ages of the people so we could look back and have some calculation.

though you did work on the manatee i dont think the tail represented in job would fit the description just my personal opinion.
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Here's an issue for me with regards to the Gap Theory...

While the Gap Theory appears to offer an interpretation to allow for an ancient earth... science decries the very possibility of a global catastrophe that allegedly occured prior to Genesis 1:2.

So it seeks to please science and accept scientific data... by claiming something that science has found absolutely no evidence for.
The evidence is the ice age. Take away the sun and cover the world with water... ice age.
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"The evidence is the ice age. Take away the sun and cover the world with water... ice age"

I would agree .... freeze the planet .... eliminate all life forms

Warm up the planet ..... covered with the great deep
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The evidence is the ice age. Take away the sun and cover the world with water... ice age.
is there really any proof of the ice age.? Bible said he parted the waters not ice.
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the Bible said He formed man, not a baby. . He created a man . a Baby would not be able to tend anything. they would need to be fed etc etc. But God made man and said its Good and put him into the Garden to eat of the fruit. take care of the garden

i belive this is why we have the ages of adam and his sons through passing generations.


Not directed at you mike but general
also something that lived supposedly millions of years ago, can be found on 2000 year old pottery. Im pretty sure its something they visual saw, and made images of
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Two points here. God "formed" man. Doesn't say how long He took to "form" him from the dust of the earth. Forming is a process and implies a period of time to accomplish. Nothing about *poof* *abra cadabra*, *presto* here is man! It says God "formed". And after He "formed" man, man "became" a living soul. This is the same word as in Gen 1:2 renderd "was" (haw-yaw').
For something to "become" something, it must not have always been what it "became". It was either something else or incomplete prior to it "becoming" what it currently has "become". In this case, man "became" a "living soul" indicating Man was not a "living soul" prior to God breathing the breath of life allowing man to become a living soul. Before that, Man did not have a "living soul" but man was still "formed" by God from the "dust of the earth." Elements, chemicals, water etc.
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