Acts 2:38 - Page 3

jfrog · #21 10-20-2010, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sandie

Hi,
I'm new so this has probably been talked to pieces, so please forgive.

I was baptized in the Name of Jesus 37 years ago, but not until recently have I been convinced, convicted, consomething on it's absolute neccesity to salvation. But, there it is, all the same.

However, I don't believe the dress standards are a part of salvation...just thought I'd throw that out there to really mix things up!

I was baptized in a UPC church and attended several in the past. My last oneness pastor was/is a Yadon...I'm sure that name is familiar to UPC goers.
Love that family!

I now attend a trinity pentecostal church (though I do NOT believe in any trinity doctrine)...it's a Foursquare church and ironically (or not) it was in a Foursquare tent revival I recieved the baptisim of the Holy Ghost 40 years ago.

So, I'm wondering about others opinions on this subject: Surely if Jesus said those who believe and are baptized will be saved, He meant it...this is what is playing over and over in my spirit.

Any thoughts?

It sounds as if you are questioning the necessity of the Holy Ghost and to do that you must be able to deal with scriptures like the one in Romans 8 which says that those without the Spirit of Christ are none his. Once you can explain that verse to your own satisfaction then you probably can use that explanation for a basis to answer any other question about the necessity of the Holy Ghost.

jfrog · #22 10-20-2010, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

True. In Acts 2:38 when Pete says repent he is talking about what he pointed to in verse 21, which was a throw-back to Joel 2, But everyone that calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. That is how I see it.

shag · #23 10-20-2010, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

Sorry it took me sometime to answer it.

So if Im following you correctly, youre sayin Peter gave them the spill about Joels prophesy and told them that they crucified the Lord(vs.36), then, they were pricked in their heart and basically at that point of being pricked in their heart, they received salvation(inclusive of the Spirit of Christ-Rom. 8:9?),

...and their reaction to Peters words to be baptised and that they would receive the promise of the Holyghost was post salvational?

Am I following your view correctly?

Jack Shephard · #24 10-20-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by shag

So if Im following you correctly, youre sayin Peter gave them the spill about Joels prophesy and then how they crucified the Lord(vs.36), then, they were pricked in their heart and at that point of being pricked in their heart, they received salvation(inclusive of the Spirit of Christ-Rom. 8:9?),

...and their reaction to Peters words to be baptised and that they would receive the promise of the Holyghost was post salvational?

Am I following U right?

The HS came at salvation because they are hand-in-hand, but the speaking in tongues is something that can be a product of the HS.

Jason B · #25 10-20-2010, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

The underlined portion....Acts 2 :38 was not the original "message" the message was the original message. Acts 2:38 was a response to that message. It wasn't the "seeking souls" that asked what shall we do. It was saved folk that asked, "now what"

Nope. Saved souls weren't asking "now what" in Acts 2:37. Convicted souls, yes. Saved souls, no.

Jack Shephard · #26 10-20-2010, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Nope. Saved souls weren't asking "now what" in Acts 2:37. Convicted souls, yes. Saved souls, no.

Evidence of this is where? I have already provided my evidence.

Hoovie · #27 10-20-2010, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

Nope. Saved souls weren't asking "now what" in Acts 2:37. Convicted souls, yes. Saved souls, no.

That would be my view as well. Whether justification occurs at the time of sincere calling on the Lord in repentance is another question though.

Jack Shephard · #28 10-20-2010, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

That would be my view as well. Whether justification occurs at the time of sincere calling on the Lord in repentance is another question though.

I gave my point of view on it above.

Hoovie · #29 10-20-2010, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I gave my point of view on it above.

Well I did read that, but am not convinced that being "pierced their heart" is evidence they received the Holy Spirit.

Similarly when Agrippa said to Paul, "Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian" it's not evidence of the indwelling Spirit. I would say it is indeed evidence of the Spirit convicting, working on hearts - yes. A necessary precursor to salvation but perhaps not evidence of existing salvation.

Jack Shephard · #30 10-20-2010, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

Well I did read that, but am not convinced that being "pierced their heart" is evidence they received the Holy Spirit.

Similarly when Agrippa said to Paul, "Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian" it's not evidence of the indwelling Spirit. I would say it is indeed evidence of the Spirit convicting, working on hearts - yes. A necessary precursor to salvation but perhaps not evidence of existing salvation.

I guess it comes down to how one sees it or chooses to see it. But on the other hand it is not evidence that the Spirit didn't begin to dwell in them. The deal about Agrippa was that we wasn't persuaded to be a christian had he been then he would have faired similar to those in Acts 2, IMO.