What's Wrong With Facial Hair

[BoredOutOfMyMind]

Originally Posted by Ronzo

Your wish... is my command...

You ain't right, Bro!

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

It's amazing what people will do to maintain a non-biblical outdated standard

Hey Socali, did you get my PM?

No.

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

It is staggering beyond belief that Oneness groups are so shallow in this matter. Almost all Apostolic Church members now realize the foolishness of this doctrine. Yet the Ministry still supports it in the majority of Churches. No wonder Oneness groups are dismissed so quickly by seekers.

Before leaving for work this morning....my friend sent me some "discussion" between the author of the "track" and another person in that group. Wooo Hooo. AFF-worthy debate. I'll have to wait to get back home to post them. I think what it shows.....amongst UPC pastors...is that there is some great debate and even an admission that they can not defend it.

They conspicuously left out Leviticus 19:27, "Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard."

Since the passage says we're not to "mar the corners" or our beards, it is assumed that we have beards.

Here's an interesting article on the subject: http://www.bryanstation.com/the_beard.htm

My posting of that link does not mean I agree with everything the guy is saying.

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Kutless

In these hairy hell haven's are side burns considered a sin?

According to the track...sideburns need to be cut at the middle of the ear.

I read in one of the discussions where one of the people stated that they have seen some with no sideburns....and this was equated with homosexuality. Seriously. Tooooooo much!

[SoCaliUPC]

Originally Posted by Thad

Most of the Western District believes that you are lost for having facial hair- at least the cons do I know that. when they see someone who claims to be Apostolic they shake their Head and say " how can he" ? in otherwords how can he claim to be Apostolic. I know this to be true- why? because I know people personally who feel this way.

I wouldn't wear facial hair because I have been taught and conditioned against it. WHY? because amongst Whites, we Equate it with hippies, rebellion, hells angels, harley riders, and wild unkept heathens. Mexicans and blacks do not relate to this because it's "A white thing".

I am right about- i dare anyone to say I am wrong

Thad...your stance is probably one of conditioning more than anything. However, do you consider facial hair to be a salvational issue? If you saw a UPC person with facial hair...do you think that person is saved?

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Thad

Most of the Western District believes that you are lost for having facial hair- at least the cons do I know that. when they see someone who claims to be Apostolic they shake their Head and say " how can he" ? in otherwords how can he claim to be Apostolic. I know this to be true- why? because I know people personally who feel this way.

I wouldn't wear facial hair because I have been taught and conditioned against it. WHY? because amongst Whites, we Equate it with hippies, rebellion, hells angels, harley riders, and wild unkept heathens. Mexicans and blacks do not relate to this because it's "A white thing".

I am right about- i dare anyone to say I am wrong

OK You are wrong. I dare say a very, very small percentage of Americans would think this.

[Kutless]

Originally Posted by SoCaliUPC

According to the track...sideburns need to be cut at the middle of the ear.

I read in one of the discussions where one of the people stated that they have seen some with no sideburns....and this was equated with homosexuality. Seriously. Tooooooo much!

So absolutely no PORK CHOP BURNS!!

You know some people have really big ears.

[SDG]

What's wrong w/ it ???... nothing ... God put it there.

Self-deception with mental smoke and mirrors;

The principle in the Garden of Eden was the damaging of a personal relationship with God. The "knowledge of Good and Evil" veiled the mind of Adam because of all the he learned about the forbidden things that God would reveal in their relationship. Now, through sin, Adam was hit with knowledge and revelation of his nakedness. (His sexuality, his self-examinatory marveling at both himself and Eve, and his physical independence from his creator)

When God asked rhetorically, "Where art thou?" He was referencing the covering of the mind, body, and spirit these revelations had produced. His mind was veiled from the Holiness of God.

Paul's exhortation in Corinthians concerning prayer were a reflection of their restored relationship and the importance of how we approach God. Women "must" approach God in submission. God gave their hair as both a reminder and beautifier to sustain and embrace her role in nature.

Men must shave and cut their hair because when they approach God they must be free of vanity and self-centered awareness. Our "head" is the critical point of restoration, regeneration, and teaching. Our approach to God must be with Him exalted and His divine plan our priorities.

Eph. 4:17 "I would not have you walk as other gentiles walk, in the vanity of the mind, seeing their understanding darkened. (that word darkened could also be veiled.)

We need every advantage in our quest to restore ourselves unto God. We are not there yet. And one of the greatest compliments we can give our restoration process is to place our head, totally under the subjection of God. and we cannot do that with a veil of vanity.

This principle was echoed by Bro Chan in the old testament. Egypt shaved their faces religiously in honor to their gods. When Israel was delivered, God gave them a seemingly unimportant law. Don't trim or cut in any way your beards. Thus He removed the vanity factor from the tradition.

Paul speaking to the gentiles echoed the same principle, short hair, shorn (shaven) head. We need to quit looking to destroy the old paths, and use the grey matter to find ways to get closer to Him.