Were The Israelites Black?

[DAII]

Originally Posted by seekerman

In response to several posts.

Black Africa, equatorial Africa, has never contributed much of anything of value to civilization. Name a few of the contributions if you will. Even today, in this modern world, Black Africa, equatorial Africa is consistently at the bottom of the standard of living of the nations of the world. Black Africa isn't on the cutting edge of advanced technology, education, longevity or much of anything else.

The best thing that happened to the Black culture was the Blacks in Africa raiding various inland villages and selling their countrymen into slavery. Only when exposed to a more advanced culture has the Black culture improved.

Why not just be honest concerning history and cultures folks?



The Israelites couldn't have been Black.

I have never ever asked Admin publicly or privately to ban someone but this is the first time.
Permanently ... IP and all.
God forgive you .... for condoning slavery.

Sickening and Tear-provoking

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by DAII

I have never ever asked Admin publicly or privately to ban someone but this is the first time.
Permanently ... IP and all.
God forgive you .... for condoning slavery.

Sickening and Tear-provoking

Woah, hold on a moment. I've never condoned slavery, but lets just be honest for a moment here. It was the *equatorial Blacks* who captured their fellow countrymen and sold them into slavery. Why not place the blame for slavery on those who bear the responsibility? Why do you never hear condemnation of the *equatorial Blacks*? Because folks don't wish to face the truth about the selling of men, women and children by Blacks to Whites?

Slavery, scriptural or not, is wrong. Period. It was wrong when the Israelites practiced it and it was wrong when the Americans practiced it. But, again, be honest. Blacks coming to America worked out very well for them otherwise they would still be in poverty stricken, illiterate, disease ridden Africa being starved, killed and abused by the backward and utterly corrupt governments of the primitive nations in equatorial Africa.

You want me banned for telling the truth? Why?

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by pelathais

I was hoping that there was some sort of irony intended that just didn't come out right, but the poster in question has simply left this to stand.

All one has to do to see the important contributions of "Blacks" and African culture to who we are today is to simply go to church. The music, the choir, the singing and even the preaching are all developed and delivered in a package that was made and formed by the Black African culture in diaspora.

No doubt Black culture made contributions AFTER being taken from their backward and primitive countries and culture and exposed to a more civilized, educated and advanced culture. You only have to look at 'modern' equatorial Africa today to see what the Black culture can do on it's own. They're dead last in worldwide standard of living.

Again, be honest.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by seekerman

Woah, hold on a moment. I've never condoned slavery, but lets just be honest for a moment here. It was the *equatorial Blacks* who captured their fellow countrymen and sold them into slavery. Why not place the blame for slavery on those who bear the responsibility? Why do you never hear condemnation of the *equatorial Blacks*? Because folks don't wish to face the truth about the selling of men, women and children by Blacks to Whites?

Saying that slavery was "the best thing that ever happened ..." would "appear" to imply at least tacit approval.

You are correct about the complexities of the slave trade, though. And, the way Europeans even knew that there were Black Africans to enslave was because the Arabs had already made themselves rich by doing it.

It was a barbaric time by our standards, and it's only fair to admit that just about everyone was a barbarian in those times.

Originally Posted by seekerman

Slavery, scriptural or not, is wrong. Period. It was wrong when the Israelites practiced it and it was wrong when the Americans practiced it. But, again, be honest. Blacks coming to America worked out very well for them otherwise they would still be in poverty stricken, illiterate, disease ridden Africa being starved, killed and abused by the backward and utterly corrupt governments of the primitive nations in equatorial Africa.

You want me banned for telling the truth? Why?

History is filled with ironies. But if you want people to listen to your voice you really should try and rephrase things here a bit.

"The descendants of African American slaves are a bit more fortunate than the descendants of many of the people who were not enslaved and certainly more fortunate than those who were enslaved in the Caribbean and South America. This does not justify the slavery, nor the further injustices the succeeded slavery. This does does present us with an opportunity however to go forward without some of the bitterness from the past.

"It also presents us with the opportunity to share in many of the wonderful and uniquely African-American cultural contributions to our culture. The arts, entertainment, literature and natural and industrial sciences have all received generous contributions from 'Black Americans.' We are all a better people and a stronger people when we acknowledge the contributions of us all."

[nicolesmith]

Ok..Are americans only white, or only black, or better yet only indian????retorical question of course..pray and ask God to open your understanding....

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by seekerman

No doubt Black culture made contributions AFTER being taken from their backward and primitive countries and culture and exposed to a more civilized, educated and advanced culture. You only have to look at 'modern' equatorial Africa today to see what the Black culture can do on it's own. They're dead last in worldwide standard of living.

Again, be honest.

The reason that the cultural contributions of Africa are not as intertwined with Western culture as Arab, Persian, Indian and even Chinese and East Asian cultures is because the African cultures were largely destroyed or had passed on before they interacted with Europeans.

It sort of as if a huge interstellar space ship was found abandoned circling the Moon. Wrecked, decayed and pitted with meteor strikes it wouldn't be worth anything more than scrap metal to many people. But what of the secrets within? That's how some folks look at African history and archeology.

Europeans traded with Arabs and other Muslims, Indians and Chinese as "equals" or even from a position of military vulnerability and inferiority. "Equatorial Africa" was not available for exploration and trade until long after the continent had been decimated by the Muslim slave trade, territorial infighting and natural disasters such as desertification and the Europeans had risen from their own Dark Ages.

Trying to objectively identify and evaluate the real advances made by the various precolonial African civilizations in the current climate of Afro-Centricism and the bitterness that abounds is difficult, but the finding of metal artifacts does give some evidence of technological advancements.

Sites from the old Zimbabwe Empire have turned up iron making on a colossal scale when compared to Europe from the same time period.

Fortunes wax and wane. It's best to not think too highly of oneself and too lowly of another.

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Saying that slavery was "the best thing that ever happened ..." would "appear" to imply at least tacit approval.

You are correct about the complexities of the slave trade, though. And, the way Europeans even knew that there were Black Africans to enslave was because the Arabs had already made themselves rich by doing it.

It was a barbaric time by our standards, and it's only fair to admit that just about everyone was a barbarian in those times.


History is filled with ironies. But if you want people to listen to your voice you really should try and rephrase things here a bit.

"The descendants of African American slaves are a bit more fortunate than the descendants of many of the people who were not enslaved and certainly more fortunate than those who were enslaved in the Caribbean and South America. This does not justify the slavery, nor the further injustices the succeeded slavery. This does does present us with an opportunity however to go forward without some of the bitterness from the past.

"It also presents us with the opportunity to share in many of the wonderful and uniquely African-American cultural contributions to our culture. The arts, entertainment, literature and natural and industrial sciences have all received generous contributions from 'Black Americans.' We are all a better people and a stronger people when we acknowledge the contributions of us all."

Yes, Black Americans have made many contributions to society after being assimilated into American and other cultures, no doubt about that.

But, the point was that Black equatorial Africans were a very primitive culture for thousands of years contributing virtually nothing to civilization as contrasted with the Israelites who actually made many contributions to civilization. The teaching that Israelites were Black is a farce. Junk history.

Why not just be honest concerning history and cultures and go forward from there?

[Baron1710]

Seekerman, you are unbelievable.

Perhaps you should spend some time studying history before you make such stupid statements.

[Cindy]

Didn't Moses marry an Ethiopian woman? Chances are she was black. And if they had children.........

[seekerman]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

Seekerman, you are unbelievable.

Perhaps you should spend some time studying history before you make such stupid statements.

Oh, I've studied history thus the statements I've made.