Apostolic Minister/State Rep. voted for AZ bill

[DAII]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

What is most disappointing to me is that an Apostolic news organization would cast the minister in a negative light for acting on principle.

Romans 13 tells us what our obligations are in regard to being good citizens. Paul wrote the passage, and he was very familiar with being persecuted by governments--and yet he still encouraged people to try to be law-abiding, peaceful citizens. He didn't encourage anarchy or revolution--he encouraged submission.

Seems the Apostolic News Network might have another problem, Miss Bratt ... and that is properly sourcing its copy and pasted material ....

The article is from the Religious Dispatch ...

http://www.religiondispatches.org/ar...op_coalitions/

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by DAII

Seems the Apostolic News Network might have another problem, Miss Bratt ... and that is properly sourcing its copy and pasted material ....

The article is from the Religious Dispatch ...

http://www.religiondispatches.org/ar...op_coalitions/

Wow! You are the best at digging up this kind of stuff!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by DAII

Seems the Apostolic News Network might have another problem, Miss Bratt ... and that is properly sourcing its copy and pasted material ....

The article is from the Religious Dispatch ...

http://www.religiondispatches.org/ar...op_coalitions/

"My stump speech is that this is not amnesty and that this is a biblical issue," says the Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference.

The one interesting thing is Rodriguez's plans to host an immigration summit with Mat Staver, dean of the Liberty Law School, as both are members of the Freedom Federation, the new right-wing supergroup.

As we pointed out last month, Rodriguez recently began pushing to ensure that healthcare reform contained coverage for those in the country illegally, which is a position that would not go over well with several other members of the Freedom Federation.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/catego...hip-conference

[n david]

Apostolic News has "Religion Dispatch" at the very bottom of the article, but no mention that the article is a reprint ... which I believe would be in violation of copywrite laws. I could be wrong though.

But hey, immigration laws / copyright laws ... both are just inconvenient and don't have to be followed.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Basically, he has voted to allow law enforcement to do their jobs. I don't think that necessarily means that he would personally report illegal aliens or worse, kick them out of the congregation.

Actually, by law, he would have to or he himself would be implicated. Keep reading further down the bill.

Of course, that's a current federal law already. This ups the ante for state control on the issue.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

What is most disappointing to me is that an Apostolic news organization would cast the minister in a negative light for acting on principle.

Romans 13 tells us what our obligations are in regard to being good citizens. Paul wrote the passage, and he was very familiar with being persecuted by governments--and yet he still encouraged people to try to be law-abiding, peaceful citizens. He didn't encourage anarchy or revolution--he encouraged submission.

Then you combine that with people fleeing oppression... Anyone who has studied Romans 13 would agree that Paul was not giving the government carte blanche obedience. This would include when it conflicted with gospel living.

The deal is: Yes, it's illegal. It has been for a long time. Many are here that have been here for over a decade, raising families. This pseudo-mass deportation the state has acted upon isn't the solution, and creates a hostile environment for everyone. Then there is the issue of how this affects legal Hispanic-Americans, and how they feel in their own country, and constitutionally if their rights are protected under the law.

The entire Apostolic Assemblies will shrink in half if mass deportation occurred. UPCI congregations would be split by this as well. Of course, if the law had its way, neighbors wouldn't trust the other in fear of being reported. A complete society of fear. People who know more English than Spanish, who have lives, families, relationships - many who came here as children or otherwise at the decision of other guardians - will be sent into a land of nothing where they have nothing, and where oppression and war abound. If they are working here and have been part of society here for a certain length of time, I'm a huge advocate for amnesty. This is backward problem-solving. Instead of securing the borders, coming up with a solution for border enforcement, we are trying to turn the Titanic around on a dime.

[vrblackwell]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Then you combine that with people fleeing oppression... Anyone who has studied Romans 13 would agree that Paul was not giving the government carte blanche obedience. This would include when it conflicted with gospel living.

The deal is: Yes, it's illegal. It has been for a long time. Many are here that have been here for over a decade, raising families. This pseudo-mass deportation the state has acted upon isn't the solution, and creates a hostile environment for everyone. Then there is the issue of how this affects legal Hispanic-Americans, and how they feel in their own country, and constitutionally if their rights are protected under the law.

The entire Apostolic Assemblies will shrink in half if mass deportation occurred. UPCI congregations would be split by this as well. Of course, if the law had its way, neighbors wouldn't trust the other in fear of being reported. A complete society of fear. People who know more English than Spanish, who have lives, families, relationships - many who came here as children or otherwise at the decision of other guardians - will be sent into a land of nothing where they have nothing, and where oppression and war abound. If they are working here and have been part of society here for a certain length of time, I'm a huge advocate for amnesty. This is backward problem-solving. Instead of securing the borders, coming up with a solution for border enforcement, we are trying to turn the Titanic around on a dime.

Legal Mexican Americans need not worry about their rights over this bill. They are only required to do what I as a white American am required to do. That is provide legal identification to the authority who stopped me. If they follow the law and do this have nothing to worry about.

80% of the illegals tat cross the border have a criminal record back in Mexico. 100% of them have a criminal record here in the US. It is time for the government to do there job and build an electrical fence and use the military to patrol the border and stop this non-sense.

[Apostolic 2:38]

The point is about Steve Montenegro.. First off, let me say I do agree that illegal immigration is wrong, they need to come in the right way...let's be honest (to the white brethren) if you really want to stop illegal immigration, they need to go after the white business owners who hire the cheap labor and fine them, and please don't tell me white businesses don't hire illegals..if they want cheap labor, they should go and recruit at the trailer parks....however the feds won't go after the empolyers..Big business has it way to Repubs and Dems..$$$$$..The point is Montenegro was fed,clothed, and recevied his education from the tithes giving by the members of his dad's church, who I'll bet more than 50% are illegal...he is the biggest of hypocrites..if it was not for the Apostolic Assembly, who sponsored his family to come to the US, he would still be in El Salvador...This guy will more than likley leave the Apostolic Assembly and go to the UPC...I wonder how he will be welcomed by the Spanish UPC, who I bet that they have a large number of illegal immigrates..

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by vrblackwell

Legal Mexican Americans need not worry about their rights over this bill. They are only required to do what I as a white American am required to do. That is provide legal identification to the authority who stopped me. If they follow the law and do this have nothing to worry about.

80% of the illegals tat cross the border have a criminal record back in Mexico.Support your stats. So sick of people pulling stats out of their back side. The MAJORITY of illegals that I know DON'T have criminal backgrounds. 100% of them have a criminal record here in the US. It is time for the government to do there job and build an electrical fence and use the military to patrol the border and stop this non-sense. I actually agree with your last statement.

And who is more likely to be stopped and suspected to be an illegal -- a white American, or a brown-skinned, bi-lingual Hispanic-American? Maybe we should just have them wear arm patches.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Apostolic 2:38

The point is about Steve Montenegro.. First off, let me say I do agree that illegal immigration is wrong, they need to come in the right way...let's be honest (to the white brethren) if you really want to stop illegal immigration, they need to go after the white business owners who hire the cheap labor and fine them, and please don't tell me white businesses don't hire illegals..if they want cheap labor, they should go and recruit at the trailer parks....however the feds won't go after the empolyers..Big business has it way to Repubs and Dems..$$$$$..The point is Montenegro was fed,clothed, and recevied his education from the tithes giving by the members of his dad's church, who I'll bet more than 50% are illegal...he is the biggest of hypocrites..if it was not for the Apostolic Assembly, who sponsored his family to come to the US, he would still be in El Salvador...This guy will more than likley leave the Apostolic Assembly and go to the UPC...I wonder how he will be welcomed by the Spanish UPC, who I bet that they have a large number of illegal immigrates..

I agree.