God's Grace, Love or Mercy will not SAVE you ... - Page 3

Truthseeker · #21 03-04-2010, 02:30 PM

2 John 9

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
KJV

Truthseeker · #22 03-04-2010, 02:31 PM

1 Tim 6:3

3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
KJV

Truthseeker · #23 03-04-2010, 02:34 PM

1 Tim 4:16

16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine ; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
KJV

TheLegalist · #24 03-04-2010, 02:36 PM

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Heb 5:9

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that OBEY him;
KJV

Amen! Salvation is costly not a free ride! Also the point of him being the "author" is that he is the "offerer" or gift giver! By his gracefule act he has obtained AUTHORITY to judge and declare righteous. He has ALL POWER! He presents upon condition and we either choose to follow or not. Salvation has a price tag attached!

TheLegalist · #25 03-04-2010, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

1 Tim 4:16

16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine ; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.
KJV

what save thyself? NEVER! ROFL! It's a two way street. He is the source but we have a responsibility as well.

Nitehawk013 · #26 03-04-2010, 02:42 PM

I see nothing wrong in what LS or Larson said.

That one would expect to get all the mercy and grace without any obediance to doctrinal truth tells me they seem to like the idea of abusing grace. Live how you wish, grace is free right?

RevDWW · #27 03-04-2010, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLegalist

what save thyself? NEVER! ROFL! It's a two way street. He is the source but we have a responsibility as well.

Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

TheLegalist · #28 03-04-2010, 02:44 PM

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Act 2:40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Heresy! ROFL! You can't preach that you might be a LEGALIST!

TheLegalist · #29 03-04-2010, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

I see nothing wrong in what LS or Larson said.

That one would expect to get all the mercy and grace without any obediance to doctrinal truth tells me they seem to like the idea of abusing grace. Live how you wish, grace is free right?

no Grace is not free in the ultimate sense like many teach. God's grace comes at a cost. God only gives it to those who will humble themselves and offer what is required of which I think we both would agree!

deltaguitar · #30 03-04-2010, 03:10 PM

God's grace does come at a cost. The ultimate cost and the price has been paid. In Christ sacrifice he not only paid for our sins but also did the work that must be accomplished to save us.

Yes, we do obey God's commandments and through the process of sanctification he will save those whom are his.

Some of you have a few commandments that you consider a prerequisite for new birth. Anybody can check off a list of things to do but when God does the work it is a perfect work.

Repent - easy enough, we have seen 1000s do the Pentecostal version of this only to never to be seen again.

Be Baptized - same as above. How many of these baptisimal tanks have we seen set up in parks and on the street and homeless people being "saved" because of their obedience only to once again never been seen or heard from again.

Baptized in the Holy Ghost - this is the hazing that every Christian has to go through in order to be received into the church. Usually, the music has to be loud, specially trained "altar workers" are brought in to coach people into receiving. Many stutter and stammer only to be told that they almost got it and to keep seeking. They are reminded that if they would only totally yield themselves to God or have real faith they will receive and speak in tongues. Remember, if you just completely submit yourself to God he will give it to you but only if you beg, cry, and wail hard enough.

Your obedience has been turned into a science by many and with just the right preaching and music and laying on of hand it can achieve by anybody.

Yep, sounds exactly like grace to me and exactly the obedience that God was talking about all throughout the bible.