Supreme Court to Hear Case on Obama

[SOUNWORTHY]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Birth certificate or not, the certification of live birth is a valid document and does verify he is a US citizen. It has been proven valid by a number of different sources. Why he doesn't release the actual one, I don't know. I know that I do not have my original one. I had to order another one when I got my passport. Maybe he doesn't have the time Malarkey to personally do it. Maybe he has more pressing issues and realizes that the majority of Americans think he has all of the qualifications )He's half black and ACORN and the liberal media are pushing him)needed to be president and doesn't want to give credence to the small minority that thinks otherwise. Who knows?

He is one of the most disastrous things that has happened to our country.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Newman

1. We don't have proof that the document offered up on the internet was indeed a valid document. To the contrary, forensic analysts say that it is not.

2. Even if it was (which it wasn't) people born outside of Hawaii also can have the type of document posted. WEIRD Hawaii rules... The forged document was likely based on his half sisters document. She was not born in Hawaii.

3. Even if he was born in Hawaii (which is doubtful) he is still not a NATURAL born citizen because his father had an allegiance to a foreign country (British citizenship). The Constitution of the United States and case law denote that natural citienship is different than just citizenship.

4. BUT, to add fuel to the fire; there is also the realization that he was adopted by an Indonesian citizen (his step dad) and thus had Indonesian citizenship. A natural born citizen can never have had an allegiance to any country but the USA.

5. The question lingers about what passport he used to travel to Pakastan when he was 20. At that time they weren't letting American citizens in. Interestingly enough, it was after that trip, that Obama took up his Muslim name and went to Columbia College to continue his radical education.

6. All he has to do is call Hawaii and tell them to release what they have. Instead he spends almost 2 million dollars on more than 20 lawsuits arguing that nobody has standing to challenge him. For $15 he could end most of the charades.

1-3: The first three items can be pretty well covered within this article. Other reputable sources have validated the document, but Politifact actually asked the Hawaii Department of Health. They did confirm that it was a valid Hawaii state birth certificate. Politifact also had a colleague born in Hawaii compare her birth certificate, and it was identical.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...icate-part-ii/
This site also professes the validity of the document:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

4: We have no idea on Indonesia's laws on adoption in pertaining to citizenship. Just because he was adopted does not necessarily automatically make him a Indonesia citizen.

5: Americans were allowed to visit Pakistan during 1981. There was a travel advisory issued during 1981, which was to inform citizens wishing to travel there of situations within the country. You can find a copy of it here:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/passport.asp
Search for travel advisory and you will be able to open up a PDF of one from that year.

6: Agreed. Although, He did that when he released the certificate of live birth.

We can spend all day discussing this, each of us posting our websites of source, each of us not believing the other. It boils down to this: with all of the news outlets we have today, with all of the Republicans that were in office at the time, with all of the conspiracy theorists out there, don't you think there would have been hard evidence introduced long before the election? We have records that show he is a citizen, we have reputable sources saying that he is. On the other side, all we have are a bunch of what-ifs and hypothetical possibilities. I remember you from way back on FCF, and I have always found you to be a reasonable person, grounded in facts. It is amazing that you would take this stance with such force and certainty. I agree that it is within the realm of possibility that the entire secret muslim world is perpetrating this hoax on the American people. Anything is possible, just not anything is probable.

[coadie]

We can spend all day discussing this, each of us posting our websites of source, each of us not believing the other. It boils down to this: with all of the news outlets we have today, with all of the Republicans that were in office at the time, with all of the conspiracy theorists out there, don't you think there would have been hard evidence introduced long before the election? We have records that show he is a citizen, we have reputable sources saying that he is. On the other side, all we have are a bunch of what-ifs and hypothetical possibilities. I remember you from way back on FCF, and I have always found you to be a reasonable person, grounded in facts. It is amazing that you would take this stance with such force and certainty. I agree that it is within the realm of possibility that the entire secret muslim world is perpetrating this hoax on the American people. Anything is possible, just not anything is probable.[/

More google scholaring.
2 million bucks. That is how much in legal fees Obama has spent to fight cooperation. Follow the money.
You seemingly missed the fact that the paper posted by obama on the web sites was fabricated on a word processor.
It has no physicians name on it. no witnesses. Can't decieve me. It does not meet the standard for an I-9 required when a company hires an employee.

You seem to force an erroneous opinion for some reasson. Obama has only posted a fake birth document. It did not look like the original.
Honesty is important. Gibbs laughing and the reporter says a lot. The other give away is docs back then filled in the blanks in handwriting.


Attorney Philip Berg has posted many early 60's examples of what real certificates look like. The have pplaces for a parent's or witness signature, the attending Physicians signature and a lot of other info. That is why I left counseling years ago. too many people that want to hide the truth.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103633
Look at a pic of a real one and compare it with a fake.

This is a tough case for judges. They will get threats from the Justice department and life will be miserable if they hear the case.

Your conspiracy cannard is easy for me to see thru, Hillary also played the 'right wing conspiracy" card. Rod Blagojevech also called out the "conspiracy theory" Then he and Oblahma said they and their people never had contact with each other. Ooops. the transcripts said Obama fudged. I also suspect Rezco is singing. Obama had some shady deals with him. One whistle blower was fired over a deal. (his banker was ordered to place a higher appraisal on Obama's house in the loan file.)
Obama
Bill ayers
Bernadette dohrn
Kwame Malik Kilpatrick
Anthony Rezco
Michelle Obama (disbarred lawyer)
Rod Blagovech

Guilt by association? Innocent and clean people have a way of staying away from crooks. Honest people have different values. That is why the left despises Gov Palin so much. Baptized in Jesus Name pentecostal.

Afraid she would go to D.C. with a clean broom. do a little house cleaning.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Twisp

I watched from the 55:25 mark on, and it looked like they were all having fun with the questions. Lots of laughter.

Not sure what gloryseeker's stance is on this, so this isn't directed to specifically. I was just responding to their post.

Actually I have no stance, I'm just wondering if it is true. Personally I am more inclined to think that there must be something to this as this issue could easily be resolved, yet Pres. O doesn't clear the air.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

Actually I have no stance, I'm just wondering if it is true. Personally I am more inclined to think that there must be something to this as this issue could easily be resolved, yet Pres. O doesn't clear the air.

I am more of the opinion that it has been cleared up, there are just a minority that don't accept it. To each his own.

[gloryseeker]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Birth certificate or not, the certification of live birth is a valid document and does verify he is a US citizen. It has been proven valid by a number of different sources. Why he doesn't release the actual one, I don't know. I know that I do not have my original one. I had to order another one when I got my passport. Maybe he doesn't have the time to personally do it. Maybe he has more pressing issues and realizes that the majority of Americans think he he has all of the qualifications needed to be president and doesn't want to give credence to the small minority that thinks otherwise. Who knows?

While I think there is more to this than you, you have made good arguments until this one. He wouldn't have to do anything except say "go get one", the President doesn't even open a door for himself. This is so simple of a fix that it creates the illusion that there is something to it.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by gloryseeker

While I think there is more to this than you, you have made good arguments until this one. He wouldn't have to do anything except say "go get one", the President doesn't even open a door for himself. This is so simple of a fix that it creates the illusion that there is something to it.

2 million dollars in legal fees to interfere with access to the real deal. Obama is convincing rational minds that spending 2 million in legal fees to block access to the real one is worth it. This is often the case when people are covering to save a job or stay out of jail. Some methods that help us detect deception include : Obama spent a couple of years writing two books about himself because he didn't want people to investigate and write his story. On one hand it is a narcissistic ego and on he other hand it is how thugs testifgy in court. They make a story. Two books is called writing your own infomercial. His fake even says it is fake unless it has the official seal on it.

Obama can order steak from Japan to entertain and pay 100 dollars a pound for meat but he is too busy to order up an original document.
Now there is a new problem If and when a real one shows up, he is in trouble for making this fake.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Twisp

We can spend all day discussing this, each of us posting our websites of source, each of us not believing the other. It boils down to this: with all of the news outlets we have today, with all of the Republicans that were in office at the time, with all of the conspiracy theorists out there, don't you think there would have been hard evidence introduced long before the election? We have records that show he is a citizen, we have reputable sources saying that he is. On the other side, all we have are a bunch of what-ifs and hypothetical possibilities. I remember you from way back on FCF, and I have always found you to be a reasonable person, grounded in facts. It is amazing that you would take this stance with such force and certainty. I agree that it is within the realm of possibility that the entire secret muslim world is perpetrating this hoax on the American people. Anything is possible, just not anything is probable.

Twisp- I may not have every detail right; as the landscape shifts from time to time as new information is learned. But I am certain that Obama is hiding much.

The media was in the tank for Obama. We knew more about Sara Palin's daughter and Joe the Plumber's tax problems than we knew about Obama's history (excluding his own writings). How many reporters did they send to Alaska to dig up dirt? How many did they send to Chicago?

From www.theobamafile.com

"Obama has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama documentation -- no bona fides -- no paper trail -- nothing.

Original, vault copy birth certificate -- Not released (lawyers' fees = $2,000,000 ~ birth certificate = $15)
Certification of Live Birth -- Released -- Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released (if one exists)
Obama/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)

Kindergarten records -- Records lost (this is a big one -- see here -- read two frames)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro adoption records -- Not released

Fransiskus Assisi School School application -- Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records -- Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)

Selective Service Registration -- Released -- Counterfeit
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport -- Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament" -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None

Illinois Bar Records -- Not released.
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None

The Illinois State Archives told Judicial Watch that they never received any request from Senator Obama to archive any records in his possession. In 2007, Obama told Tim Russert that his records were "not kept."

And there's less on the web every day. In time, the entire Obama body of knowledge will consist of 3 documents -- "Dreams From My Father" -- "The Audacity of Hope" -- and the latest -- "Change We Can Believe In" -- all written by Barack Hussein Obama or his "ghost-writers."

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Newman

Twisp- I may not have every detail right; as the landscape shifts from time to time as new information is learned. But I am certain that Obama is hiding much.

The media was in the tank for Obama. We knew more about Sara Palin's daughter and Joe the Plumber's tax problems than we knew about Obama's history (excluding his own writings). How many reporters did they send to Alaska to dig up dirt? How many did they send to Chicago?

From www.theobamafile.com

"Obama has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama documentation -- no bona fides -- no paper trail -- nothing.

Original, vault copy birth certificate -- Not released (lawyers' fees = $2,000,000 ~ birth certificate = $15)
Certification of Live Birth -- Released -- Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released (if one exists)
Obama/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)

Kindergarten records -- Records lost (this is a big one -- see here -- read two frames)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro adoption records -- Not released

Fransiskus Assisi School School application -- Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records -- Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)

Selective Service Registration -- Released -- Counterfeit
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport -- Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament" -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None

Illinois Bar Records -- Not released.
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None

The Illinois State Archives told Judicial Watch that they never received any request from Senator Obama to archive any records in his possession. In 2007, Obama told Tim Russert that his records were "not kept."

And there's less on the web every day. In time, the entire Obama body of knowledge will consist of 3 documents -- "Dreams From My Father" -- "The Audacity of Hope" -- and the latest -- "Change We Can Believe In" -- all written by Barack Hussein Obama or his "ghost-writers."

I believe he is hiding some things as well. Mainly, that he had to use his connections to make up for his average grades to get into many of these schools. However, that he attended these schools is not the question. There is substantial evidence saying he did. Why the need for his records being released?
What proof is there the his Certification of Live Birth and Selective Service Registration documents are counterfeit? People removed from the Obama camp that have actually handled these documents have verified them. I have yet to read one article questioning the legality of these documents where the writer physically examined them.
His passport is obviously on file, since several people have been fired from their jobs for accessing it. If there was something on there undermining his citizenship, don't you think they would have came out with it by now?
He is not required to turn over his medical records. I can think of many reasons one would not want his personal medical history to be made public.
Illinois has all records pertaining to his Senate position.
It is very likely that he does not have his parents marriage license. I don't not have mine, and if they passed away, I would not even know where to look.

All I see from people stating this position is speculation. The facts are on the other side of the fence, people only have to let their judgment not be clouded.

[coadie]

Twisp. Let me assume you believe in truth. do you? Tell me if this scenario is truthful. Stanley Ann Dunham gets pregnant with Barack Hussein. Then February 2, 1961 after she had become preggers she marries him. He was concieved out of wedlock. Ann filed for divorce in Honolulu in January 1964. Two years earlier Barry senior had left to attend Harvard leaving his "family behind. Reason for divorce included the fact that he was also married to some other woman at the time named Kezia.

At the age of 23, Obama Sr. enrolled at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, leaving behind a pregnant Kezia and their infant son. He had turned away from Islam and become an atheist by the time he moved to the United States.[4] On 2 February 1961, Obama Sr. married fellow student Ann Dunham in Maui, Hawaii[16] though she would not find out that her new husband was already married until much later.[

Now Obama Sr. has demonstrated he is dishonest, do you know why I should believe this stuff? Tell me why I should believe people that have records of dishonesty. I repeat myself and tell you an original Birth certificate from 1961 doesn't have (rev 11/01 on the bottom of it. The word laser is next to it. When were lasers invented?

States use birth certificates generated by hospitals and medical attendents. When they are so generated, the Hospital name and M.d. D.O. midwife P.A. etc appear on the original document along with names of witnesses.