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Old 04-15-2009, 11:09 AM
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Re: Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

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I am with D4T on this, I am not advocating a Revolution (althought that would be good) but rather education.

I guess it comes down to this....

Don't believe everything the Government tells you!
I agree but don't believe what they push on youtube. It takes a good mind to pass a CPA exam. 94% flunk it including most IRS agents that didn't go to CPA firms.

There are no online schools that teach classes that qualify one to sit for the CPA exam. CPA's make a lot of money cleaning up messes from tax cheats and people that claim to have rules in their heads and argue all kinds of non constitutional points.
there are online tutorials that help people prepare to passs the exam. Most folks now have a masters in accountancy to cover all the courses to take the CPA exam. It is a 1/2 day test just covering Tax LAWS and tax return preparation.

I realize there is a small epidemic of democrats that cheated in reporting or filing. It is expensive and they don't tell you that later.
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:18 AM
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Re: Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

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I agree but don't believe what they push on youtube. It takes a good mind to pass a CPA exam. 94% flunk it including most IRS agents that didn't go to CPA firms.

There are no online schools that teach classes that qualify one to sit for the CPA exam. CPA's make a lot of money cleaning up messes from tax cheats and people that claim to have rules in their heads and argue all kinds of non constitutional points.
there are online tutorials that help people prepare to passs the exam. Most folks now have a masters in accountancy to cover all the courses to take the CPA exam. It is a 1/2 day test just covering Tax LAWS and tax return preparation.

I realize there is a small epidemic of democrats that cheated in reporting or filing. It is expensive and they don't tell you that later.
Have you seen the film?
The whole point is not "evasion" or "cheating" it is this, "is there a valid law on the collection of Income Taxes?

I do not automatically believe everything in every video on you tube either.
I do believe in this, "show me the law!"

In this film they can not do that.

That is troubling!
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:21 AM
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Re: Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

I've been through this stuff before and there are "movements" to get the US people to quit paying taxes because they are illegal. Regardless whether it is true or not, and I have my doubts about that, I'm not about to stop paying "my" share of the load and put my family in jeopardy over something you cant' win at. I pick my battles.
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:26 AM
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I've been through this stuff before and there are "movements" to get the US people to quit paying taxes because they are illegal. Regardless whether it is true or not, and I have my doubts about that, I'm not about to stop paying "my" share of the load and put my family in jeopardy over something you cant' win at. I pick my battles.
Again MiOW, it is about education.
If they lied about this, what else are they lying to you about?
We don't want to go down that road for fear of where it will lead us.

What is in your preamble to the Constitution?
"We the people.... not We the Government!"

It is the people who are supposed to be in control, politicians are accountable to the people.

They can not be accountable if people do not know what is going on?
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:29 AM
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Re: Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

Ron, just because some crazy can put a video on the internet doesnt mean that Income taxes in America are somehow illegal.


I didnt watch this but I have heard from that crowd.
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:31 AM
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Ron, just because some crazy can put a video on the internet doesnt mean that Income taxes in America are somehow illegal.


I didnt watch this but I have heard from that crowd.
Ferd, there isn't a law.
It matters not if a crazy person screams it or not.
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:33 AM
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Re: Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

The 16th Amendment, which specifically authorizes the income tax, was proposed on July 12, 1909.

1 Alabama Aug 10, 1909
2 Kentucky Feb 8, 1910
3 South Carolina Feb 19, 1910
4 Illinois Mar 1, 1910
5 Mississippi Mar 7, 1910
6 Oklahoma Mar 10, 1910
7 Maryland Apr 8, 1910
8 Georgia Aug 3, 1910
9 Texas Aug 16, 1910
10 Ohio Jan 19, 1911
11 Idaho Jan 20, 1911
12 Oregon Jan 23, 1911
13 Washington Jan 26, 1911
14 Montana Jan 30, 1911
15 Indiana Jan 30, 1911
16 California Jan 31, 1911
17 Nevada Jan 31, 1911
18 South Dakota Feb 3, 1911
19 Nebraska Feb 9, 1911
20 North Carolina Feb 11, 1911
21 Colorado Feb 15, 1911
22 North Dakota Feb 17, 1911
23 Kansas Feb 18, 1911
24 Michigan Feb 23, 1911
25 Iowa Feb 24, 1911
26 Missouri Mar 16, 1911
27 Maine Mar 31, 1911
28 Tennessee Apr 7, 1911
29 Arkansas Apr 22, 1911
30 Wisconsin May 26, 1911
31 New York Jul 12, 1911
32 Arizona Apr 6, 1912
33 Minnesota Jun 11, 1912
34 Louisiana Jun 28, 1912
35 West Virginia Jan 31, 1913
36 New Mexico Feb 3, 1913 *
37 Massachusetts Mar 4, 1913
38 New Hampshire Mar 7, 1913
Ratified in 1302 days

This amendment was specifically rejected by New Hampshire on Mar 2, 1911. It was also rejected by Arkansas prior to its subsequent ratification, and by Connecticut, Rhode Island, and Utah.

http://www.usconstitution.net/constamrat.html
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:38 AM
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You are right, Baron.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html

Embellished in 16th Amendment

Passed by Congress July 2, 1909
Ratified February 3, 1913
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:39 AM
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Re: Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

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Have you seen the film?
The whole point is not "evasion" or "cheating" it is this, "is there a valid law on the collection of Income Taxes?

I do not automatically believe everything in every video on you tube either.
I do believe in this, "show me the law!"

In this film they can not do that.

That is troubling!
Yes there are laws passed by congress and signed into law by the President. There are books upon books of case history and tax appeals that have gotten nowhere.


The only troubling or disturbing issue is you apparently have never taken a college accounting class or tax class. We get a lot of this when a farmer tells a CPA that his neighbor deducts this and that and he wants to also.

CCH publishes a lot of tax law for Canada and the states.

http://bender.lexisnexis.com/bender/...og?action=home
http://west.thomson.com/home.aspx
http://www.cch.com/
http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/Section/id-350047.html

I realize you also have never had any law classes.

When we go into tax law case citations, all the tax laws are cited by name and number.
There are a lot of books that cite laws for setting up trusts and other products to be in compliance with the latest statutes.

Some of the case law publishers have merged. Most have everything on line by subscription.

Growth Tax Relief and Reconciliation Act of 2003,

some of these laws are into thousands of pages.

If you were a CPA, you could get your hands on a CD which we formerly called package x. It is an incredibly thick book that is tax instructions by law for professional tax preparers.
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Old 04-15-2009, 11:43 AM
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Re: Is There Valid Law Authorizing Income Taxes?

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Ferd, there isn't a law.
It matters not if a crazy person screams it or not.
There are an incredibly huge numbers of laws. You aren't honest enough to admit it.

There are a lot of tax protestor nut cases that claim there are no laws.
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