PROOF that Barack Obama was/is a Socialist?? - Page 3

Dedicated Mind · #21 10-09-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

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I suppose nationalizing 1/7th of the national economy isnt that big a deal to you?

Are you referring to the 700 billion dollar BUSH PLAN?

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have you heard all this talk about adding massive regulation to American business? THAT is socialism and it is a death grip on prosperity

you mean so businesses won't go bankrupt and steal pension funds from the elderly while CEOs make millions?

deacon blues · #22 10-09-2008, 01:50 PM

PROOF that Obama is a Socialist is

WHAT COMES OUT OF HIS MOUTH!!!!

Ferd · #23 10-09-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

you mean so businesses won't go bankrupt and steal pension funds from the elderly while CEOs make millions?

no my friend. I mean the kind of nonsensical regulation that forced banks to make loans to people who couldnt pay them back.

the stuff that Barak Obama thinks is good social policy.

I mean monumentally stupid things like taking money from oil companies because somebody thinks they made too much money not realizing that such an act will just lead to higher gas prices, layoffs and reduced stock prices for companies that are owned by millions of Amerians in their 401Ks

NOBODY said enforcing sane law was a bad idea. BUT over regulation and regulation that is politically motivated for the purpose of some groups idea pf social justice is a fools errand and we are now paying the price for that kind of idiocy and Barak Obama has promised more of it!

THAT is what I am talking about.

deacon blues · #24 10-09-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ferd

no my friend. I mean the kind of nonsensical regulation that forced banks to make loans to people who couldnt pay them back.

the stuff that Barak Obama thinks is good social policy.

I mean monumentally stupid things like taking money from oil companies because somebody thinks they made too much money not realizing that such an act will just lead to higher gas prices, layoffs and reduced stock prices for companies that are owned by millions of Amerians in their 401Ks

NOBODY said enforcing sane law was a bad idea. BUT over regulation and regulation that is politically motivated for the purpose of some groups idea pf social justice is a fools errand and we are now paying the price for that kind of idiocy and Barak Obama has promised more of it!

THAT is what I am talking about.

Its all very simple my friend.

Some folks are still trying to figure out 1+1.

Ferd · #25 10-09-2008, 01:56 PM

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you mean so businesses won't go bankrupt and steal pension funds from the elderly while CEOs make millions?

the 700 billion dollar bush plan doesnt represent 1/7th of the national economy but nationalizing healthcare does.

and I am against the Bush plan.

I also think this moral equivalence game you are playing is stupid. just because GWB may or may not have done something is no reason to fall for the communism being offered by your guy. yuck.

Ferd · #26 10-09-2008, 01:58 PM

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Its all very simple my friend.

Some folks are still trying to figure out 1+1.

LOL! for you and I its easy. look for the first problem. recognize who caused it. fix that or you cant fix what's broken.

Others look at a problem then blame who ever gets shoved over by it. they dont care if the person standing by the mess made it or not. they just want thier pound of flesh.

SlowFade · #27 10-09-2008, 02:04 PM

Britain, Canada, and modern Israel are socialist countries. Even ancient Israel was an agraria socialist economy. Socialism isn't an "evil", it's simply a different economic philosophy. Many notable Christian thinkers and writers down through history have been socialist.

Socialism is demonized here in the United States because too many of us are so ignorant or hypersensitive we confuse it with atheistic Communism. And anyone who would propose that Obama is a Communist is flat out ignorant of the facts. Obama has some socialist tendencies (as do most on the left)...but he isn't a Communist. I think the moment a Christian tells a lie like, "Obama's a Communist." they should be flogged like the lying dogs they are. lol

Ferd · #28 10-09-2008, 02:08 PM

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Britain, Canada, and modern Israel are socialist countries. Even ancient Israel was an agraria socialist economy. Socialism isn't an "evil", it's simply a different economic philosophy. Many notable Christian thinkers and writers down through history have been socialist.

Socialism is demonized here in the United States because too many of us are so stupid we confuse it with atheistic Communism.

considering the general dominance America has over these nations..... clearly socialism isnt nearly as good as what we Ameicans have created....

this notable Christian thinker thinks socialism is a poor excuse for laziness.

(I am certainly notable seeing that i have over 10Kposts!)

SlowFade · #29 10-09-2008, 02:15 PM

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considering the general dominance America has over these nations..... clearly socialism isnt nearly as good as what we Ameicans have created....

this notable Christian thinker thinks socialism is a poor excuse for laziness.

(I am certainly notable seeing that i have over 10Kposts!)

Blah, blah, blah. Most socialist countries aren't the size of Alaska and their gross national product isn't anywhere near our own... of course we're far more dominant.

There are a lot of things about America that are better than many of these countries. But we also have to remember....most of these countries were devastated a generation ago and they had to rebuild their entire economy, infrastructure, etc. from the bottom up. The European Union is rapidly becoming a major player and in time their economic and political power could overshadow the US...and they may have done it in less than one generation. That's VERY rapid advancement under their socialist system. It's taken us 200 years to get here.

I've spent a lot of time in Canada and frankly....it's cleaner, the people far less combative, and no one I know personally has had a significant problem with the health care system (though don't be fooled, there are problems that need to be addressed). Here in the US people die from treatable illnesses all the time simply because they can't fork over the cold hard cash for treatment.

I don't think a hardline socialist agenda is needed....there is a middle road but mindless ideologues on both sides are blind to it.

SlowFade · #30 10-09-2008, 02:18 PM

Don't you love it when people try to tie you to your real name....especially when you've already been personally harrassed and almost physically accausted because of things written on the internet? I take it as a threat.

But here's the deal....right wing extremists don't care if someone get's slandered or attacked for disagreeing with their narrow right wing agenda...they just want to silence you.

In essence they're saying...."Agree with us...or we'll expose you and maybe you'll get what's coming to you."

That's why I at least give the respect of not using real names in my posts.