Re: False Brethren in our ranks w/ another gospel?
Define "our ranks" in the context of a thread started by DA please...
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Re: False Brethren in our ranks w/ another gospel?
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Are there false brethren among us today that have infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ and make us slaves?
If so, Do they preach another gospel?[/B]
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Yes.
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Care to elaborate.
There will always be a segment of Pentecostalism bent on returning to our Victorian Wesleyan roots. A segment I like to call "The Borg." A segment that extracts a queer joy in being the God police. A segment that puts its non-essential dime in the broken, antiquated false-dichotomy-holiness-meter while simultaneously, in fits of pure jealousy, expecting everyone else to do exactly the same.
Do they preach another gospel?
Their gospel is guilt.
Their gospel is shame.
Their gospel is condemnation.
Their gospel is exclusion.
Their gospel is humanism, robed in the cloak of spirituality.
Re: False Brethren in our ranks w/ another gospel?
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
There will always be a segment of Pentecostalism bent on returning to our Victorian Wesleyan roots. A segment I like to call "The Borg." A segment that extracts a queer joy in being the God police. A segement that puts its non-essential dime in the broken, antiquated false-dichotomy-holiness-meter while simultaneously, in fits of pure jealousy, expecting everyone else to do exactly the same.
Do they preach another gospel?
Their gospel is guilt.
Their gospel is shame.
Their gospel is condemnation.
Their gospel is exclusion.
Their gospel is humanism, robed in the cloak of spirituality.
Re: False Brethren in our ranks w/ another gospel?
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Originally Posted by Baron1710
What is it you see differently? They were returning to the law as a way to be saved. Paul explains to them you can't add to what Christ has done. The law has served its purpose. So the issue is adding to with works of the law, not taking away.
Exactly, Paul upbraided them for returning to the Old Testament Law as a means of salvation.
BUT............
Is repentance OT Law?
Is water baptism OT Law?
are these not works of faith and obedience to a new testament covenant, with a resulting of Gods gift of the Holy Ghost?
Re: False Brethren in our ranks w/ another gospel?
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
In reading Galatians 1 and2 this week ... I am fascinated w/ Paul's response to the Judaizers of his day that sought to pervert the gospel by their works and traditions
Are there false brethren among us today that have infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ and make us slaves?
If so, Do they preach another gospel?
I see the logical sunset in view. It is only a matter of time that you will be calling those that believe it takes the fulfillment of Acts 2:38 to be saved "False Brethren". The implication is very clear in this thread.
I guess at least we are still being called "Brethren".
Re: False Brethren in our ranks w/ another gospel?
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
I don't have any false doctrines in mind ...
Although Paul had it in for those did he described as follows and would not let them add to his message. He writes:
.....false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves.
5We did not give in to them for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might remain with you.
6As for those who seemed to be important—whatever they were makes no difference to me; God does not judge by external appearance—those men added nothing to my message
You know very well he was speaking of those men who were Torah and Sabbath fantatics..... had nothing to do with Holiness.... this was the argument of their day.. Moses Law of NT Law
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