In the Oneness ranks how many believe in OSAS - Page 3

Jack Shephard · #21 07-17-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Yes I do we have High Priest over the House that interceedes for those in the house but if I leave the house he does NOT intercede for me. Only if I remain in the house. Those protected by the blood remained in the house at the Passover in Exo. 13.

You heard it here first folks, SE believes in eternal security. LOL

I think most Christians have to believe this to a certain degree cause if they didn't it would be aparent that they do not understand God's grace and mercy. I think there is NO SUCH thing as unconditional eternal security. Gotta be holy enough to please God, but no one is holy enough to please man, it seems.

LUKE2447 · #22 07-17-2008, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

I think you'll find just about everyone says that they don't believe in OSAS just because that's been drilled into us so hard.

Personally, for years I've question our basic assumptions on this point even to the point of bringing it up at a Oneness Symposium many years ago. My perspective arises from the standpoint of God's election. I consider the question of "free will versus determinism" to be a two sided coin that must be accepted as a fundamental paradox.

In other words, to answer the question "Is OSAS true?" we have to answer, "It depends on how you look at it..." instead of shouting outthe answer "NO!" that we're accustomed to shouting. The question is complex and deserves more consideration than the boiler plate responses we traditionally give.

And FWIW... I have generally received favorable responses from our leaders when I point this out.

I understand and agree from a point of what God knows will happen. Yes, what happens will happen from a determinist point. I totaly agree with that. My point from a OSAS position is from a choice point. When we choose to sin and go against God due to whatever reason does one lose salvation.

LUKE2447 · #23 07-17-2008, 11:16 AM

I personaly believe one is not saved if one does not follow after the Spirit. To not be under the law of the Spirit one would have to be under the law of the flesh. It is his passion or ours. Romans 8 goes over this. Sure God has mercy on us and Grace is given but I don't believe it is hard to lose either. When I say hard to lose I am not talking about quick thought or stupid stuff but a change of heart. I really don't think it is a hard to lose or easy to lose thing it simply is a matter of who are you the slave to which goes beyond the little stuff.

DividedThigh · #24 07-17-2008, 01:27 PM

i am in the oneness ranks and do not believe osas, dt

Light · #25 07-17-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

I definitly believe in the "Security of the Believer" .. not the Baptist forumla where you can shake the preachers hand... be saved and stay saved no matter what you do

No, I believe if one has TRULY tasted the heavenly gift... had a true and not an emotional born again experience... THE OLD MAN IS DEAD..... and that man has passed from DEATH UNTO LIFE...... he is a new creature and THAT CREATURE is eternally saved... and SEALED until the day of redemption not until that man falls in the flesh

Now, the old argument "So, you believe people can go out and do whatever they want and be saved" is not a valid question.;.. because I believe that if one is TRULY saved it will show in their desire towards holiness and their utter disdain for this world will show in their lives.. thus proving they have been born again and you will never see this type of person trying to get as close to the world as possible..... if someone comes to the altar and goes back into sin,.,. they NEVER GOT ANYTHING... their fruits prove it

You don't have to tell an Apple Tree to produce apples... it happens naturally without effort.... you don't have to tell a truly saved person to live sanctified... it's just natural for that NEW MAN.;... anything contrary to that PROVES he was never BORN AGAIN because had he been born again.. .the NATURAL FRUIT of that experience is HOLINESS

Remember brethren... Holiness is not the ROOT of our Salvation... Holiness is the FRUIT of our Salvation.....

I'm sorry but the apostle Paul says different.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

pelathais · #26 07-17-2008, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

I understand and agree from a point of what God knows will happen. Yes, what happens will happen from a determinist point. I totaly agree with that. My point from a OSAS position is from a choice point. When we choose to sin and go against God due to whatever reason does one lose salvation.

For someone to make such a choice we would have to question whether or not they had ever been regenerated or "saved" to begin with.

It's a difficult area of discussion - as long as someone agrees with me on the difficulty of the question, I generally I have no problem with the conclusions they reach might reach.

Jermyn Davidson · #27 07-17-2008, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Light

I'm sorry but the apostle Paul says different.

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

So does this scripture deny all hope of salvation to backsliders?

What does this scripture mean?