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Old 02-17-2008, 04:03 PM
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Re: There is no such thing as Revival

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I would like to make the suggestion that God wants churches to be lovers of the Word. He wants us to win people through our efforts in tandem with the Holy Spirit he has given us. He will indeed open doors but its up to us to take the time and flat out work to bring in the harvest.

If a church is so dead it needs revival... why not bury it and make room for a new church plant?

.. its about the local church getting active, doing large volume outreach to get the word out .. and SPENDING MONEY on EVANGELISM and OUTREACH rather than on BUILDINGS and SALARY.

Revival isnt a magic formula... it isnt anything. The kingdom of God grows when we witness and disciple people with the message that they are guilty under Gods laws and God came in the flesh to pay the penalty Himself in our place.

This is one of the BEST posts that has ever been on this forum.

Bro I don't know you. But you hit it right on the nail!

The concept behind 'revivals,' 'conferences,' 'convocations' and the such is HYPE.

God doesn't need hype.

And the whole idea of reviving the saints....

That shouldn't happen in a building.

That should happen when we get on our knees, our faces if necessary and CRY ALOUD and SPARE NOT!

The church is TOO dependent on preachers and programs.

And what we know as revival isn't working with the world because they know hype when they see it.

But after we finish picking them up and putting them down. After the huckabuck, after the tongue...I'm gonna say like Kirk Franklin says in his song, "Shout."

'Church taught me how to dance and speak in tongues,
But preacher teach me how to live right when the tongue is done...'

The world isn't impressed with the dance, the tongues, the manifestations we tend to get caught up in.

Then we are like, 'Man, did you see, Bro so and so run the aisles? And Sis Doomaflochee dance all around the altar!'

'Revival was awesome!'

We get all caught up because someone danced or shouted or spoke in tongues that haven't done so in five years. And rightly so. Rejoice with those who rejoice, right?

But Bro. Webster said it best:

If a church is so dead it needs revival... why not bury it and make room for a new church plant?

When a medic revives someone, that means that that person was dead right?

Now, I am not saying that all the churches that are 'dead' close down. Some can be revived. But real revival starts with ONE person.

And just like fire, it spreads.

I do think it is sort of a waste to go get so and so to preach the saints back to life.

I do see going get a tent in the ghetto where they sell drugs and holding a 'revival.'

Take it to the streets where they need to hear the Word. Where they need to see the power of God in action.

The saints has seen it all before. Now it's time to take it to the streets.

Man I like cats like Verbal Bean and Lee Stoneking. They preach and don't care. If you are dead, they tell you...'You dead.'

I would love to have heard Verbal Bean preach in person. He told a church they were in trouble and they were.

He didn't care.

He followed the Spirit of God.

It is my understanding that they are no longer apostolic to this day.

Bro Webster, thank you.
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Old 02-17-2008, 04:30 PM
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Re: There is no such thing as Revival

Said I was gonna shut up....

I am SOOOOOO tired of religion. I think that whole concept behind revival is religion.

We look back at Azusa and other movements that moved us closer to God. We get all caught up in the masses.

But where did it begin?

ON OUR KNEES!

I am going to be real with you. I am dying. Spiritually.

I haven't been to church in a minute. Spiritually, I am in trouble. I know it.

But where I feel safest. Where I feel connected to God. Where He tells me I am still His is not when everyone is hanging from a chandelier and laying hands on me....NO

I have left out my house driving around looking for a church 'service,' and ended up in a prayer service on more than one occassion.

When I started going back to 'church' after I came back to New Orleans, I would only go faithfully to morning prayer. I felt safest in the prayer room-not in church, not hearing the Word, not even at the altar. No...

I felt safest, closest to God-on my face before God.

And eventually, I got 'revived.'

I know what I gotta do. I know what it is to be dead and to be revived.

And I have to tell you.

There ain't a preacher that can do it for me.

There is no prophet, no evangelist, no apostle, no church that can do it for me.

I gotta get on my knees, ON MY FACE, and pray for God to revive me.

No one can do that for me.


And just like no one can do it for me, neither can they do it for the church.

Every great spiritual awakening started when someone started to really PRAY!!!!!!

If a church really wants revival, they need to stop having service and just go to the prayer room. No singing, no preaching, no offering....

Let's just go straight to the prayer chambers and watch God MOVE!

The key to reviving the church is prayer. The key to staying revived is PRAYER.

The old saints used to say it best...

Much prayer, much power
Little prayer, little power
No prayer, NO power!!!!
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Old 02-17-2008, 04:58 PM
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Acts 9:31 Then the churches throughout all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria had peace and were edified. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, they were multiplied. (NKJV)



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Old 02-17-2008, 10:31 PM
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I was born and dedicated in this and after 30 years other than "Evangelastic" stories that can't be proven... its just junk and propaganda. Crusades dont work, they have failed in the phillipines, they have failed in the 2nd great awakening under Whitfield, they have failed over and over and over in america.

Just my 2 cents... bombs away
Crusades don't work? I'm not sure if you're really serious about that, or if you're just trying to "stir the pot" with that comment. If you're being serious, then I have to consider your comment to be preposterous and shortsighted.

Thousands, and sometimes tens of thousands, of people have gotten filled with the Holy Ghost in many apostolic crusades around the world. I think those people would disagree with your contention that "crusades don't work".

The angels in heaven rejoice for every one of these people that is brought into the kingdom of God. Maybe you should too.
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Old 02-17-2008, 10:40 PM
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Crusades don't work? I'm not sure if you're really serious about that, or if you're just trying to "stir the pot" with that comment. If you're being serious, then I have to consider your comment to be preposterous and shortsighted.

Thousands, and sometimes tens of thousands, of people have gotten filled with the Holy Ghost in many apostolic crusades around the world. I think those people would disagree with your contention that "crusades don't work".

The angels in heaven rejoice for every one of these people that is brought into the kingdom of God. Maybe you should too.
It has been our experience that crusades are not nearly as powerful in third world countries as going in and training pastors. Of all the people that come to the Lord in Crusades, most of them never become churched and they end up back like they were. They are moved by emotions at the crusade, and make some sort of commitment. But alot of time there is no follow up. If you go in and train national workers and pastors, you are a lot more effective in soul winning/discipleship. I think this is probably what he meant.
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Re: There is no such thing as Revival

I tend to agree...crusades if finaced and have backing draw lots of people but keeping them is another story...most come for healings and miracles...I tend to think a one to one effort works better.
However Saturday night one of our pastors is doing a local crusade...some people seem to have this in their blood...
However I am thankful for each soul that comes to know Christ whatever means that may be used to win them...
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Re: There is no such thing as Revival

Rapture....not in the bible...but i hope to go up in one someday.

Revival.... while not a word we see a lot of in the bible, i believe we see it in concept.

We are told to provoke one another to good works.

We at old to stir up the gift of God with in us.

If we see a brother in a fault, we are to restore him to the faith.

"revival" is simply encouraging one another in the faith. If you win some sinners along the way that is a plus.

We have not had a "evangelist" come and preach us a revival or many years.

Three times a year we do have what we call "Bible Revival"... which consists of three nights (not necesarily consecutive) of solid bible teaching.

It's not what you'd precieve as Revival in Pentecost...on these nights we don't even have a song service. The setting is casual, at tables, bring snacks. Pastor spends usally an hour and half with one break.

People become refreshed, rejuvenated, rededicated, REVIVED, in the word of God.

Revived in their faith.

For the most part..revivals I have seen do little more than to work up some emotionalism that is short lived by most Pentecostals.

I myself came into "Pentecost" in a 2 month long 80 soul revival. A year later we still had our original 45 in church. Granted some of the 80 were from other visiting OP churches., but for the most part there were few that stuck.
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I tend to agree...crusades if finaced and have backing draw lots of people but keeping them is another story...most come for healings and miracles...I tend to think a one to one effort works better.
However Saturday night one of our pastors is doing a local crusade...some people seem to have this in their blood...
However I am thankful for each soul that comes to know Christ whatever means that may be used to win them...
Sis Alvear: I thought I saw a post oonce that you mentioned beiong from Sulphur LA.

The evangelist that was preaching the night I was filled with the spirit was from Sulphur, Joe Duke. Did you know him?
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I know Brother Duke from years ago. Our nephew lives in Sulpher. My husband and I are missionaries in Brazil.
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I know Brother Duke from years ago. Our nephew lives in Sulpher. My husband and I are missionaries in Brazil.
Thank you Sister. Joe Duke was quite a "character".

I was just 19 when I was saved and Pentecost was new to me. It was years later that I learned of Br. Dukes fame, his histry with tthe UPC and the newly formed AMF back then.
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