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Let me tell you why that can't happen.
1. If any denomination approached us about accepting our doctrinal beliefs we would immediately demand they assimilate into our organization. After all, if they now believe like us they should submit to our Apostolic authority - right?
2. If an entire denomination converted we would immediately have men howling that "they need to come into uniformity" with our holiness standards. These same men would wail because we "allowed darkness to mingle with light."
3. We do not have men willing to disciple at the level necessary to truly make a difference in an entire denomination's direction. We are too locally minded. A pastor's entire identity is tied to how successful "his" church is.
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The "other Christians" accepting speaking in tongues and Baptism in Jesus name would do wonders for the UPC regardless of how much they agreed on other issues. It would force us to leave the milk bottle so many have as a steady diet.
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09-06-2007, 12:00 AM
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The "other Christians" accepting speaking in tongues and Baptism in Jesus name would do wonders for the UPC.
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No, they wouldn't. That type of massive shift would destroy us.
Remember Ethiopia?
BTW, I am sorry I can't say it would be a great blessing and be peaches and cream. Truth is, it would create problems we may not be mature enough to handle.
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09-06-2007, 12:01 AM
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I don't think anyone resists this plan. We are talking in addition to, and certainly not in lieu of personal impact.
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I would love to see......say.....the Southern Baptist come to a true new birth experience as a denomination....it is certainly in the realm of possibility with God....but it would happen much faster if every Pentecostal made it a point to try and truly disciple a Southern Baptist.......or which every Organization you choose from the RCC to the Elks Club......
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09-06-2007, 12:01 AM
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No, they wouldn't. That type of massive shift would destroy us.
Remember Ethiopia?
BTW, I am sorry I can't say it would be a great blessing and be peaches and cream. Truth is, it would create problems we may not be mature enough to handle.
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I hear you - but maturity is not an option from my pov.
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-06-2007, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster
Let me tell you why that can't happen.
1. If any denomination approached us about accepting our doctrinal beliefs we would immediately demand they assimilate into our organization. After all, if they now believe like us they should submit to our Apostolic authority - right?
2. If an entire denomination converted we would immediately have men howling that "they need to come into uniformity" with our holiness standards. These same men would wail because we "allowed darkness to mingle with light."
3. We do not have men willing to disciple at the level necessary to truly make a difference in an entire denomination's direction. A pastor's entire identity is tied to how successful "his" church is.
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You are correct. Sadly for us, you are a little too correct.
We have to change. We have to become something else other than what we are now. And while the point here was about affecting others, look at how miserably we are affecting ourselves. I believe that we have something of genuine value to offer all of Christendom and Western Civilization- but we distrust Christendom and we "hate" Western Civilization. We have to become engaged in order to influence.
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09-06-2007, 12:02 AM
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I hear you - but maturity is not an option from my pov.
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Maturity might just be the issue.........
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09-06-2007, 12:03 AM
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I would love to see......say.....the Southern Baptist come to a true new birth experience as a denomination....it is certainly in the realm of possibility with God....but it would happen much faster if every Pentecostal made it a point to try and truly disciple a Southern Baptist.......or which every Organization you choose from the RCC to the Elks Club......
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Not if we insist they "join our church" or they are "worshipping three gods" it won't!
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-06-2007, 12:05 AM
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Maturity might just be the issue.........
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 Not an option... as in, maturity is a requirement.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-06-2007, 12:05 AM
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I hear you - but maturity is not an option from my pov.
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Well we can dream all day long, but when we wake up the cold hard facts will slap us in the face. Until something changes I can't see us as stewards of this type of massive revival.
That is not doubt, bitterness, or antagonism speaking.
I wish it could happen. I hope it happens. But until ideologies change it will never happen.
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09-06-2007, 12:06 AM
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Not if we insist they "join our church" or they are "worshipping three gods" it won't!
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We don't insist that anyone "join", you have to be "born again" into the Church.
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"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
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