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What’s a Jew to do in the northern arctic regions?! LOL
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I thought you said everyone should keep seven day sabbath.
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I have a few questions for you….
Rev. Blume,
John wrote:
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Sin is defined as being “transgression of the law”. Can you tell me what “law” John is writing about? The Law of Moses or the Law of God?
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Law is Law. Even God called Moses' Law the Law of God.
Joshua 8:31 KJV As Moses the servant of the LORD commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the book of the law of Moses, an altar of whole stones, over which no man hath lift up any iron: and they offered thereon burnt offerings unto the LORD, and sacrificed peace offerings.
Joshua 24:26 KJV And Joshua wrote these words in the book of the law of God, and took a great stone, and set it up there under an oak, that was by the sanctuary of the LORD.
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Is the “Law” carnal, or spiritual???
HEB. 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Spiritual
ROM. 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
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Yes, but WHY did Paul say the Law was spiritual? You are missing context.
Paul was citing Mosaic Law when he wrote both passages you noted above. As I showed, this was Law of God, anyway. In
Romans 7, Paul explained how law came to him as a young JEWISH man at his bar Mitzvah, when Jews were responsible of the Law. Law was ordained to LIFE but Paul found it to be unto DEATH (
Rom. 7:10). It was Mosaic Law that was said to cause them to LIVE through obedience to it (
Lev 18:5).
Paul learned that a force called SIN was in his life, since whenever he put forth human effort to obey that law, that force stirred up inside him and caused him to do what he did not want to do. He sinned instead of did the good that the law urged him to do. This is how Paul learned we have SIN IN OUR FLESH, even after we are saved.
Paul hypothetically asked the reader if that mean the law was evil. Of course not. The problem was not with LAW, but with US! We have sin in our flesh! And when we urge flesh to do good, sin in that flesh is stirred up and we put ourselves, through such efforts, under the bondage of sin. That is serving God in oldness of the letter. It fails everytime.
It matters not if someone is seeking to justify themselves with it or not. The point is that keeping a law is urging self to obey a commandment in the power of flesh. And that stirs sin up in us. The only way to leave sin dormant is to stop urging flesh to obey commandments of any kind. Instead, serve in newness of the Spirit by following
Romans 6:13.
Romans 6:13 KJV Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
We yield ourselves to sin when we use human effort to serve God. Walking after the flesh is not adultery and murder and lying, etc., in the context of
Romans 6-7. It is trying to do the will of God by resorting to rulebook christianity. It is devoid of Spirit empowerment by faith,as
Romans 6:13 encourages.
So, Paul said the Law is quite spiritual itself, even though it is a carnal commandment due to its urgings to get us to perform carnal deeds! Law would WORK if man did not have SIN IN HIS FLESH. Sin in the flesh stirs up like a monster aroused every time we use flesh to do good and keep a rule.
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Does the “Law” judge no man, or does the “Law” judge all men?
COL. 2:14-16 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
JAM. 2:10-12 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
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You are missing the purpose in God sending Law. Paul said God sent law TO PROVE MAN CANNOT LIVE BY RULES. We fail everytime. God knew we would fail, but we did not know that.
Think of God bringing the salvation of grace immediately after Adam blew it and God stepped in back in
Genesis 3. God says I will justify you freely by faith. Adam would respond saying, "Thanks, God. But I think I can do it myself."
But give man a law like God did to Israel for 1,500 years,and see how MAN CANNOT KEEP LAW, then give man the salvation by grace. MAN WOULD GRAB IT! He would have learned he cannot keep laws due to sin in his flesh, no matter how much he tries to please God with works of obedience. This is how Law was a schoolmaster to bring Israel to Christ!
The Law of liberty is not the Law of God. The law of liberty is the same law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus, which is basically
Romans 6:13.
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Is the “Law” contrary to us, or is the “Law” not grevious?
COL. 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.
1 JOHN 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. Is there no perfection in the “Law”, or is the “Law” perfect?
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You are again missing the forest for the trees. ANY LAW that is commandments for us to obey is not what God wants for us.
The law of God that John referred to was those of Jesus! His yoke is easy!
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HEB. 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
PSALMS 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.
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They are one and the same Law in both verses! The difference you are missing is that the one verse in Hebrews shows that man could not comply to law. The Psalm is saying the law is perfect in itself. But the flaw in the context of
Hebrews 7 is that MAN CANNOT CONTINUE IN IT, or in other words, cannot keep it.
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Did the “Law” end, or will it endure until the eternal state?
[INDENT]EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.
LUKE 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
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You miss the context of
Luke 16 also. Read the passage:
Luke 16:16-17 KJV The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. (17) And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.
Notice the LAW WAS UNTIL JOHN. It stopped with JOHN. And then Jesus remarked that it is easier for heaven and earth to pass than for law to pass. In other words, John's ministry was so powerful that IT DID WHAT normally would never happen so long as heaven and earth existed!
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Lastly, God stated that He would write His “Law” upon our hearts. Is the Law of God written upon our hearts to obey its precepts, or is the “Law” no longer applicable under the New Covenant?
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Law written in our hearts is OUR NATURES CHANGED. In other words, God does through Christ and the Spirit in our lives WHAT LAW COULD NOT DO by us resorting to it on paper. He caused us to walk in His statutes by divine empowerment of the Spirit.
LAW had the goal of creating true faith, love from a pure heart and a good conscience.
1 Timothy 1:5 KJV Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:
But law could not accomplish that in us. It was perfect in itself, but imperfect in being unable to relate to us a change.
So God did in GRACE what Law (the same law in context that was spiritual) could not do:
Romans 8:3-4 KJV For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: (4) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
And the very things that Law tried to instill within man, and could not, were instilled in us BY GRACE!
1 Timothy 1:14 KJV And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
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Jeremiah 31:33
33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Without drawing a distinction between the Law of God and the Law of Moses we have utter confusion.
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No we do not.
Without seeing the common denominator of ANY LAW WRITTEN IN LETTERS for us to read and obey is flesh urging flesh. And though such a law be perfect in and of itself, humankind cannot keep it since sin is in the flesh. That sin stirs up when self tries to improve self.
Without seeing the difference between ANY OBEDIENCE-DEMANDING LAW and Grace, shown in the two trees in the Garden, one will be lost in legalism.
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This is why we have so many silly standards with no moral compass. What you are proposing is an Antinomianist heresy. We need a sure standard. Again, John wrote:
1 John 3:4
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
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That verse only shows what sin is. That is what law -- ANY LAW -- came to do. Show sin..
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What “law” is John speaking about? The Law of God, the Ten Commandments. This is the opinion of the early church including the Ante-Nicene Fathers:
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Again, missing the forest of LAW for the trees of distinctive laws.
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Repent Rev. Blume. You’re making the Word of God of none effect through your Antinomian doctrine. Without a sure standard for sin (a law whereby we might know sin) we are lost on a sea of relativism that leaves us in bondage to the arbitrary whims of legalistic pastors.
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Oh please.
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Learn grace, bro. Get out of self making-self better by resorting to code books. That is oldness of the letter!
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