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08-27-2007, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by HangingOut
To add.....this talk about restoration as a saint. That is tough. We are talking about a guy who did this over and over during a period of years. He can be restored in the MO state prison, not some local church. And this "he admitted stuff". He was caught period.
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08-27-2007, 02:54 PM
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Hang - I don't think he was caught. He was accused - yes but it could have been very difficult to prove had he not confessed. It is often a very messy and difficult court battle when such accusations surface.
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08-27-2007, 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by HangingOut
To add.....this talk about restoration as a saint. That is tough. We are talking about a guy who did this over and over during a period of years. He can be restored in the MO state prison, not some local church. And this "he admitted stuff". He was caught period.
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You KNOW this man will be praying through while he is marched to his cell. 
Generally speaking child molesters and divorcees are not placed into ministry by the UPC even if these things went on before conversion, right?
The theory is that there is too much risk involved to place a former molester in a position of authority.
So would the UPC work with this guy at all if he "sees the light" and starts to minister in prison? The risk isn't there.
(I realize that he was living a double life, and is seen as a deceiver and spiritually unstable, but hypothetically speaking)
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08-27-2007, 03:22 PM
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If he gets a long term sentence rises to a place of respect in the system to have a ministry, yes. Do you know what usually happens to these guys in there? I have known a correction officer or two that work in the prisons and it is not a pretty picture once these guys are exposed. Your scenario might not even be realistic given the odds of survival.
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
You KNOW this man will be praying through while he is marched to his cell.
Generally speaking child molesters and divorcees are not placed into ministry by the UPC even if these things went on before conversion, right?
The theory is that there is too much risk involved to place a former molester in a position of authority.
So would the UPC work with this guy at all if he "sees the light" and starts to minister in prison? The risk isn't there.
(I realize that he was living a double life, and is seen as a deceiver and spiritually unstable, but hypothetically speaking) |
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08-27-2007, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by HangingOut
If he gets a long term sentence rises to a place of respect in the system to have a ministry, yes. Do you know what usually happens to these guys in there? I have known a correction officer or two that work in the prisons and it is not a pretty picture once these guys are exposed. Your scenario might not even be realistic given the odds of survival.
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I too have friends that are prison employees, and I know that the weak are at risk for rape, and the molesters (and others deemed "unnatural") are at risk for murder inside the prison.
Jeffrey Dahmer didn't last very long in prison. Robbers, gangsters, and murderers have their standards, after all. 
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Despite today's rising cost of living, it remains popular.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." - Sir Winston Churchill
"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Sir Winston Churchill
"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security." - Benjamin Franklin
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08-27-2007, 03:37 PM
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Chances are he won't go to prison. If he's never had a record he could possibly get strict probation and if he stays clean, he might never spend a day behind bars. Most likely to 'save face' and possibly even for the sake of the victim being drug into court, a plea bargain will come out of it. If convicted though I'm sure he would be required for life to register as a sex offender. However, as some posts have brought up there could be other victims to come forth.
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08-27-2007, 03:45 PM
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Didn’t mean to imply he would killed, but they are usually degraded to the lowest level.
On probation. We have certain crimes here called measure 11 with minimum prison sentences. This is one of them I am sure.
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
I too have friends that are prison employees, and I know that the weak are at risk for rape, and the molesters (and others deemed "unnatural") are at risk for murder inside the prison.
Jeffrey Dahmer didn't last very long in prison. Robbers, gangsters, and murderers have their standards, after all. |
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08-27-2007, 04:02 PM
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Wow. I'm feeling pretty sick to my stomach right about now. I grew up in Joplin, and Huling's daughter (sorry, I couldn't muster up a "brother") and I went to school together. She was the maid of honor at our wedding. C. Huling has been pastor in Webb City for a long time, and was presbyter at some point over Section 6.
I've spent the night at their home lots of times, went sledding with their kids, horseback riding. *sigh*
Sickening.
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It's usually who you'd least expect. That's why it's so important to make this subject one that our kids can freely, openly, and comfortably talk about with us, their parents.
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Tit 3:2 To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
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08-27-2007, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by OP_Carl
I too have friends that are prison employees, and I know that the weak are at risk for rape, and the molesters (and others deemed "unnatural") are at risk for murder inside the prison.
Jeffrey Dahmer didn't last very long in prison. Robbers, gangsters, and murderers have their standards, after all. |
You should rent the movie, "The Apostle"! He goes to prison for murder and is still winning folks to the Lord! 
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08-27-2007, 04:07 PM
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It's usually who you'd least expect. That's why it's so important to make this subject one that our kids can freely, openly, and comfortably talk about with us, their parents.
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Very good point, Subdued.
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