The UPC is a dying movement! - Page 27

shazeep · #**261** 08-12-2016, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

If you say I am lost, and can prove it, then do it.

yes so again it is about the proof, and not what your true feelings would be in the matter. the question was "what would be your natural heartfelt reaction to this if it were said in a crowd of peers."

shazeep · #**262** 08-12-2016, 05:57 PM

i've been asking this question for oh 2 3 months now.

can't get an answer
why do you think i can't get an answer to such a simple question?

Esaias · #**263** 08-12-2016, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

yes so again it is about the proof, and not what your true feelings would be in the matter. the question was "what would be your natural heartfelt reaction to this if it were said in a crowd of peers."

Ah, okay, I would be feeling curiosity.

shazeep · #**264** 08-12-2016, 06:32 PM

no you would not either not when said in the same context as 'all catholics are lost.'
you guys

Esaias · #**265** 08-12-2016, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

no you would not either not when said in the same context as 'all catholics are lost.'
you guys

Ah, so you ask me how I would feel, then I tell you, and then you tell me "wrong answer"?

You are the arbiter of what *I* feel or don't feel? You know me better than *I* know myself? You are gonna tell me what *I* am gonna feel if someone tells me I am lost? A heretic? Deceived? A cultist?

Really?

Well, you just proved to me you are an unreasonable person. You hypocritically judge and condemn people, while playing off like you are holier than everyone else. You think you know me, or anyone else here on the intardnets, better than know themselves.

"Have you stopped beating your wife, yet? Yes or no?" Seriously, that's the level you've stooped to.

And therefore, I conclude you really are just trolling the forum.

I was actually curious about you saying I was lost and could prove it. But, your response has eliminated any curiosity I had, and replaced it with boredom.

Just so you know, I HAVE been told I was lost, numerous times, by catholics, baptists, and JWs, and others. Each time I was curious. I wanted to know "upon what basis do you say that?" Some responded with a reasoned presentation of their case. Some, like you, just continued spouting off and could not for the life of them present ANY case, reasoned or not, beyond just "Yes you are! Yes you are!"

Childish and immature.

So my response to them is the same as it is to you: hahahahah! Look at the little 5 year old, repeating some big words he heard Mom and Daddy say! lol

You're now talking to yourself, cause I am no longer listening to anything you have to say.

And I know you will think you've "proven your point" (like most people under delusions of grandeur) so go ahead, pat yourself on the back, and feel better about yourself.

Meanwhile, I got more chicken to BBQ. Mmmmm, BBQ chicken, fresh from the garden squash and carrots, rice, bell peppers, zucchini from the garden, fresh homemade bread... mmmm yum yum!

mfblume · #**266** 08-12-2016, 07:26 PM

Let's say none of here have the exact truth we need. Then you lay out scripture and show what the bible says about believing on Christ according to all the views represented, and hypothetically have someone put down the PRECISE TRUTH God meant us to have and lay it in there with all the WRONG interpretations. Someone will point to each and every one of the interpretations, INCLUDING THE CORRECT ONE, and say, "That's just the way YOU believe it. And you cannot say everyone should believe that."

This concept wants to think everyone is right somehow, leaving none lost. It is an emotional based concept and has no inkling of there actually being a correct understanding of the scripture. And the bible says it's a narrow road, strait as narrow can be! But this view refuses that. Noble in a sense, since it doesn't want to see anyone lost, but ignorant of the fact that the phrase, "few there be that find the narrow way," implies many will be lost.

The false concept says there actually IS NO precise truth. It's a case of one more right than the others, but many man others are right. As though there are degrees of being right, and so long as you have a certain percentage right you are saved.

And the scripture to be used to substantiate this?

Wait for it....

Wait....

Here:

Joh 14:2....In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

So, the emotional feeling holds priority over the actual Word. Actual Word means nothing.

Such is the way of the reprobate mind.

shazeep · #**267** 08-13-2016, 07:55 AM

i've been called worse

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Ah, so you ask me how I would feel, then I tell you, and then you tell me "wrong answer"?

ok so you would be "curious" then, fine. At the very least, you would not be witnessing any manifesting of the Spirit in the exchange, huh? Unless it was coming from you. The accuser would be dismissed in your heart, unless of course she was able to provide the same proof that she would need to convince a plantation owner that slavery was immoral.

What is being sought here is the effect upon your heart-mind, and you guys are just helping me make the point here, the point is now established imo, in your absence, so to speak.

And i think i saw something in passing there about this being an emo thing? Is empathy an emotion? I honestly don't know, but i don't think that is quite the right descriptive. Maybe like calling Love an emotion, like Tina does. ok.

So, it's Saturday, i can't come back here til tomorrow. Mike, i'm thinking to avoid full page responses you and i need to change our format, perhaps ask each other one Q at a time that must be answered in some fashion by the other side or something. anything.

mizpeh · #**268** 08-13-2016, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

How is telling people they must believe that Jesus Christ is the crucified and resurrected son of God, otherwise they will perish, "offending" them?

If that were the case, Christ and all his apostles were guilty.

It's in the way and with the attitude that you share the gospel not the words in and of themselves.

Esaias · #**269** 08-13-2016, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

It's in the way and with the attitude that you share the gospel not the words in and of themselves.

Got scripture for that?

Our words and speech are to be grace seasoned with salt, but nowadays when people say "its not what you say but how you say it" what they mean - in actual practice - is "don't upset anybody."

thephnxman · #**270** 08-13-2016, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Got scripture for that?
Our words and speech are to be grace seasoned with salt, but nowadays when people say "its not what you say but how you say it" what they mean - in actual practice - is "don't upset anybody."

Beloved, they have no scripture for that.

They accuse the Church of condemning, and thereby would condemn
the Church! They don't realize that when we (the Church) speak, we
are in fact fulfilling scripture: "For God sent not his Son into the world
to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
And so so we preach NOT to condemn, but that they may be saved.
But because they don't REALLY believe, they fail to discern between the
conviction of the Holy Spirit; and the condemnation, that
is of the devil.

Nevertheless, we must preach the gospel that saves.