Well, you bring up another issue as to why health care costs so much. We do whatever is necessary to keep someone alive a few more hours, days, etc. when sometimes the right thing is just to let them go. If I needed a major operation or transplant and couldn't afford it, I would pray that God would heal me or He could choose to take me home.
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Originally Posted by scotty
Excellent point!!!!!!
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What makes you think those 18,000 a year that die were not ready?! You could have all the medical care in the world around you but if God is ready to take you home, guess what?? Your gone brother!
That works in reverse also, you can put a gun to your head and pull the trigger and if it's not Gods will all your gonna get out of it is a couple nights in the hospital and a migrain.!!
How many cases a year are there when something tradgic happens and people walk away from what others have died from.
There is an old saying "If the good Lords willing and the creek don't rise"
Your spending all your time and effort fighting to keep the creek from rising when the bottom line is, If the good Lord is willing it anin't gonna amount to a hill of beans what the creek does..
My mother, Joyce Arlene Hall, had a heart attack in July of 2007. She was in the hospital for a week and on Friday July 7th her heart began to go into abnormal rhythms. They had to restart it periodically to keep her alive. Being her only son I had to decide when it was time to cease all efforts to save her life and allow her to die. They resuscitated her about 5 times that evening. The doctors said her heart could stabilize but with every episode it was less likely. After calling us in to discuss her condition I had to convince my family that it was time to let her go. Convincing my grandmother that we had to let my mother go was perhaps the hardest thing I’d ever done. We wanted to hold out for a miracle. I also didn’t feel peace with deciding to let her go without the entire family being in agreement. This is a very difficult situation for families. I do not see any justification for condemning families for holding on a few extra days or hours to see if their loved one recovers.
As for the 18,000 that die a year. There are many, many families that have filed lawsuits and have even stood before congress testifying as to how doctors stated that a procedure could save the lives of their loved ones, but to ensure profitability the insurance companies denied them coverage.
I’m not a Calvinist. I cannot look at hardship and say, “Tis God’s will.”
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
I do not see any justification for condemning families for holding on a few extra days or hours to see if their loved one recovers.
Well, there is a difference in holding on for a few hours or days, and aggressively treating someone to keep them alive for a few more hours or days when the doctors know they ultimately are not going to make it. And the question becomes how much money is justified for that one person, especially if the treatment or medication has to be balanced with millions of other people's preventive health care, vaccinations, medications. Do you want the government making that decision?
[QUOTE=Pragmatist;393877]Well, there is a difference in holding on for a few hours or days, and aggressively treating someone to keep them alive for a few more hours or days when the doctors know they ultimately are not going to make it. And the question becomes how much money is justified for that one person, especially if the treatment or medication has to be balanced with millions of other people's preventive health care, vaccinations, medications. Do you want the government making that decision?[/QUOTE]
In Canada the Government doesn't make that decision.
Well, there is a difference in holding on for a few hours or days, and aggressively treating someone to keep them alive for a few more hours or days when the doctors know they ultimately are not going to make it. And the question becomes how much money is justified for that one person, especially if the treatment or medication has to be balanced with millions of other people's preventive health care, vaccinations, medications. Do you want the government making that decision?[/QUOTE]
In Canada the Government doesn't make that decision.
Who does? How is the allocation of money for health care determined?
As a pastor, I have frequent exposure to the Canadian health care system, and, from my observation, it works great.
If I need to see a doctor today, I can.
If I need to see a specialist, I will.
And, if I get sick, I get to keep my house.
What's not to like?
I pay my taxes, and: every child in my community has access to adequate medical care; the seniors in our congregation receive the medical care that they need; and the only worry that I have over being sick is being sick.
As a pastor, I have frequent exposure to the Canadian health care system, and, from my observation, it works great.
If I need to see a doctor today, I can.
If I need to see a specialist, I will.
And, if I get sick, I get to keep my house.
What's not to like?
I pay my taxes, and: every child in my community has access to adequate medical care; the seniors in our congregation receive the medical care that they need; and the only worry that I have over being sick is being sick.
If you don't mind me asking, what are your thoughts on America's health care system?
Would you want a system like Americas?
Do you believe the Canadian system has an important party in your value system?
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
As a pastor, I have frequent exposure to the Canadian health care system, and, from my observation, it works great.
If I need to see a doctor today, I can.
If I need to see a specialist, I will.
And, if I get sick, I get to keep my house.
What's not to like?
I pay my taxes, and: every child in my community has access to adequate medical care; the seniors in our congregation receive the medical care that they need; and the only worry that I have over being sick is being sick.
It may work great from your perspective, but I don't think it would work the same in the USA.
It may work great from your perspective, but I don't think it would work the same in the USA.
You're most likely right. A lot of our systems are different.. and it's hard to just take something from one setting and slap it down in the middle of another setting and expect it to work just as well.
I would never trade our health care system and all it's faults for America's present system though. Just as I'm sure you wouldn't trade your winter weather for ours HA.
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Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
I disagree. Anything, no offense to our Canadian brothers & sisters, but I believe that anything Canada can do…America can do better.
Not only is it inevitable that the USA will eventually have universal health insurance, but America’s universal health insurance system will prove to be the best in the world. It will significantly cut health care costs currently paid by individuals and businesses. This savings will energize the economy and stimulate the growth of business making American businesses more competitive. It will also stimulate America’s entrepreneur spirit once business is unshackled with the burden to provide health insurance as a benefit.
Just my opinion.
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"For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for wholeness and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope." Jeremiah 29:11 (English Standard Version)
I disagree. Anything, no offense to our Canadian brothers & sisters, but I believe that anything Canada can do…America can do better.
Not only is it inevitable that the USA will eventually have universal health insurance, but America’s universal health insurance system will prove to be the best in the world. It will significantly cut health care costs currently paid by individuals and businesses. This savings will energize the economy and stimulate the growth of business making American businesses more competitive. It will also stimulate America’s entrepreneur spirit once business is unshackled with the burden to provide health insurance as a benefit.
Just my opinion.
Spoken like a true American
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Psalm 19:14
Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O LORD, my strength, and my redeemer.
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