Tulsa Report Day 2

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

But isn't that egotistical?

To require consistency and honesty for some, while denying the need for it from others?

Brother, I think we would agree that all of us would have an inconsistency or two in our lives if someone wanted to look closely enough.

Not every inconsistency is of the same magnitude as a deliberate deception.

You choose to believe reports that these men were deliberately deceptive; I do not.

I haven't seen any proof of that, just hearsay.

If there is proof, that would be different.

If it exists, I haven't seen it.

And if it is egotistical?

OK.

I have an ego. Never denied that.

I'm not glorified yet.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

PP, I really have not seen any evidence that these men lied about their intentions.

I think it is entirely possible that there may have been some differences of intent among the original six, that were ultimately worked out and unified in a single direction.

A changed mind isn't the same as a lie.

And as for where my consistency is?

I don't recall ever saying that I was totally without inconsistency. I don't know anyone who is, really. I tend to agree with Emerson on "a foolish consistency."

CS,
I do want to express one thing because I feel a bit torn. I'm not reflecting so much on any opposing side. I'm just looking back over 20 years and remembering experiences with more conservative churches and those that were not so much.

I found good and bad in them all. I found God in them all.

Sometimes it just seemed that the harder the Conservative the less patient and more judgmental.

Then there were those that were more liberal and you become annoyed because it seemed to trample on the more decent things that we needed to represent as God's people.

So, I'm looking at both and knowing that only our personal desires and relationship will give us direction for our own personal lives and get us to heaven in the end. I can only follow or stay where God leads me. I can't be worried what others are going to do.

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by StMark

Coon,

Are you and others aware that NW ran for Dist Supt of Calif. back in May of 2007?

just wondering

Yeah.

He isn't the only man on the committee, Mark.

I don't think all their motivations were exactly the same.

[jbigg]

Originally Posted by AGAPE

I personally know 5 of those guys....
one lost his church b/c of immoral actions

while in the AC of JC or in the UPCI?

[Barb]

Originally Posted by StMark

Coon,

Are you and others aware that NW ran for Dist Supt of Calif. back in May of 2007?

just wondering

Yes, I am aware of it.

And...?!

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

I don't remember the exact events of your banning, but if I recall, the issue was not your opinion, but the way in which you expressed it.

I am not trying to sweep anything under any rug here.

Go back and pull the quotes from that exchange if you like.

I have been wrong about stuff before, and have had to retract statements I made in error. I am not terrified of that prospect.

If I am guilty, it is of being overly trusting of men I respect.

I can live with that.

I don't think that effort would bring value to the discussion.

It's enough to know you do remember it.

Here we are four months later and time has proven all things (as it usually does).

[StMark]

*** News Update **


We will soon know who was voted in as the Supt. of the newly formed So. Cal.Dist.t is happening at 11 am today in San Bernardino pacific time

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by Coonskinner

Brother, I think we would agree that all of us would have an inconsistency or two in our lives if someone wanted to look closely enough.

Not every inconsistency is of the same magnitude as a deliberate deception.

You choose to believe reports that these men were deliberately deceptive; I do not.

I haven't seen any proof of that, just hearsay.

If there is proof, that would be different.

If it exists, I haven't seen it.

And if it is egotistical?

OK.

I have an ego. Never denied that.

I'm not glorified yet.

LOL

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Barb

Yes, I am aware of it.

And...?!

That's all i was asking .......carry on

[Coonskinner]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

I don't think that effort would bring value to the discussion.

It's enough to know you do remember it.

Here we are four months later and time has proven all things (as it usually does).

Time has proven that an organization did come out of Tulsa.

You were exactly right about that.

Not an organization issuing licenses and ministerial credentials, as such, but an organization nonetheless.