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Old 09-24-2007, 10:19 PM
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Old 09-24-2007, 10:28 PM
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The ABOMINATION was the IDOLATRY that was going on when the garments were exchanged.

This was addressed because of what some of the heathen nations were doing before going into battle. the women would don the garment of the warriors. They would then participate in times of calling upon the favor of their idols while so adorned.

The idolatry was the abomination NOT the clothes or armour they wore.

Moses feared that Gods people would imitate the behavior of their idolotrous neighbors.

The "man" in Duet 22:5 is translated from the hebrew word "Geber" which to the people that this verse was addressed to it was understood as women wearing or putting on the weaponry of a soldier.

THIS THE SIMPLE TRUTH...there is NO validity in the "intrepretation" we OP's have twisted out of that verse.

It's just our ignorance. God "winked" at ignorance once......but we need to repent.
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Old 09-24-2007, 10:45 PM
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I'd like to know which animal God tore THAT skin off of!
Ever seen a snakeskin after it was shed?? It's sort of transparant.

snakeskin for the female.... it's "fitting" somehow...

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The ABOMINATION was the IDOLATRY that was going on when the garments were exchanged.

This was addressed because of what some of the heathen nations were doing before going into battle. the women would don the garment of the warriors. They would then participate in times of calling upon the favor of their idols while so adorned.

The idolatry was the abomination NOT the clothes or armour they wore.

Moses feared that Gods people would imitate the behavior of their idolotrous neighbors.

The "man" in Duet 22:5 is translated from the hebrew word "Geber" which to the people that this verse was addressed to it was understood as women wearing or putting on the weaponry of a soldier.

THIS THE SIMPLE TRUTH...there is NO validity in the "intrepretation" we OP's have twisted out of that verse.

It's just our ignorance. God "winked" at ignorance once......but we need to repent.

Do you have documentation on what you are asserting about this "idolotrous practice"? What about the phrase "the man shall not put on a woman's garment"... what does that suggest? Was there an idolotrous practice associated with this as well? Actually, I don't think it's speaking of an idolotrous practice of the heathen nations at all. I do agree with the interpretation of "geber", but there is a principle that is being communicated in this verse, it goes deper than pants/skirts. Violation of the principle IS an abomonation. Then it was violating the "law" of Deut 22:5 that was the abomination... but now it's violating the principle that is being introduced that is abomination. Our responsibility is digging and seeing if we can find the real principle that is being presented here....

I also think it is incumbent upon supposedly conservative preachers to stop with the false interpretation of suggesting that if a woman ever puts on a pair of pants, for any reason, then it is an abomination. I have seen preacher upon preacher try to prove that point to the extent that they would suggest that if a woman EVER wears pajamas or workout pants, or ski pants, or whatever, that automatically she becomes a sinner and an abomination. This, in my opinion, is a ridiculous interpretation, one that conservative brethren who supposedly uphold the inerrancy of scripture, and flagrantly misconstruing, and because of their own laziness and/or peer pressure, are unwilling to consider that there is a more accureate interpretation. This mentality is a travisty, and this mentality is probably the reason more conservative churches aren't seeing results... they are "majoring in the minors" so-to-speak....
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Old 09-25-2007, 02:21 AM
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For the record, I don't believe ladies should be parading around on the beach in immodest attire. However, there is much more appropriate swim wear than what you, my friend have described.

And I will further declare that we males need more teaching and maturity on the proper respect and understanding in relating to our females sisters. Paul said, "I keep MY body under..." Instead of burning with lust, men let's get understanding. Appreciate the beauty without allowing lingering and fantasy, which never satisfies only inflames.
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Old 09-25-2007, 06:50 AM
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Do you have documentation on what you are asserting about this "idolotrous practice"? What about the phrase "the man shall not put on a woman's garment"... what does that suggest? Was there an idolotrous practice associated with this as well? Actually, I don't think it's speaking of an idolotrous practice of the heathen nations at all. I do agree with the interpretation of "geber", but there is a principle that is being communicated in this verse, it goes deper than pants/skirts. Violation of the principle IS an abomonation. Then it was violating the "law" of Deut 22:5 that was the abomination... but now it's violating the principle that is being introduced that is abomination. Our responsibility is digging and seeing if we can find the real principle that is being presented here....
BD- I wrote an article awhile back that I don't have easy access in which I cited a reputable source for the above proposition. In trying to find which source I cited, I found that Matthew Henry Complete now also brings up this practice.

"Some think it refers to the idolatrous custom of the Gentiles: in the worship of Venus, women appeared in armour, and men in women’s clothes; this, as other such superstitious usages, is here said to be an abomination to the Lord."

I believe this is the accurate interpretation of the Scripture because:

1. We have a second witness for the interpretation as an idolotrous practice related to the heathen idolatry in temple worship in Deuteronomy 23:17-18. It defies imagination to think that God is going to have multiple witnesses throughout His Word about little things and not confirm what he finds an abomination to be.

2. We have no other witness for a commandment to dress differently from the other gender. I certainly don't find this principle throughout Scripture. Consider that we heard zip about the difference in appearal God provided for Adam and Eve.

In fact, a commandment is largely unnecesary since it it a part of NORMAL human sexuality to do so. This is true across all time, countries and cultures. There is and has always distinction in attire among the general population of any given people. Hippies are the only exception I can think of and even then, I bet there were some things that weren't exactly identical between the men and women or they were and thus their relative obscurity today.
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Old 09-25-2007, 03:18 PM
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If one does an exam on the word 'wear' in the verse in question, they will discover that it's not referring to the mere act of putting on, but of 'becoming;existing as'

This would make the verse say that the abomination is in wearing clothing that makes one appear to be as the other gender. That also fits in with the rest of the verse that speaks about homosexuality as well.
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I thought this post by PO explained it well:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ead.php?t=5836
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I thought this post by PO explained it well:

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ead.php?t=5836
Thanks, my friend. I didn't know where to find it.
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[QUOTE=HeavenlyOne;250215]If one does an exam on the word 'wear' in the verse in question, they will discover that it's not referring to the mere act of putting on, but of 'becoming;existing as'

This would make the verse say that the abomination is in wearing clothing that makes one appear to be as the other gender. That also fits in with the rest of the verse that speaks about homosexuality as well.[/QUOTE]


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