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Old 07-30-2007, 11:47 PM
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If I tempt you but you have no response does that mean I did not tempt you or that you had no desire?
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Can we say simply that Jesus chose not to sin because he had no desire to sin? Was there no internal struggle between his flesh and the Spirit that indwelt in him?
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So he was made differently than all the rest of us?

That would contradict the Word.
Really? Last I checked I was not Divine and human. How about you?
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I otice you avoided the questions also. I should be the one banging my head.
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So Prax if a person lived their whole life and never commited a sin ,would they be saved ?
Yes! But it hasn't happened. The bible says all have sinned.

BTW here is how John defines sin
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Notice sin is transgression of law...breaking law. Notice why the Son of God was manifested? Because of the committing of sin. It's something we all have done.
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If I tempt you but you have no response does that mean I did not tempt you or that you had no desire?
I think we can say the desire was there but the Spirit of God helped us to overcome the desire to succumb to the temptation? No?
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Can we say simply that Jesus chose not to sin because he had no desire to sin? Was there no internal struggle between his flesh and the Spirit that indwelt in him?

Thank you. That is exactly what I have been saying and what they are disagreeing with. (Yet there were indeed struggles between flesh and spirit.)

Of course, I am still waiting on them to answer the questions concerning Satan's temptation of Christ.
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Can we say simply that Jesus chose not to sin because he had no desire to sin? Was there no internal struggle between his flesh and the Spirit that indwelt in him?
No combat whatsoever.

No overcoming at all

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Really? Last I checked I was not Divine and human. How about you?
Yes and you weren't borned of a virgin either ?
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