Standards - Page 26

Fionn mac Cumh · #**251** 04-07-2015, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

Acts 2:38 is how to be born again. If that is the only depth of our walk with God then we are going to come up short. Some pentecostals are nothing more than easy believers. Acts 2:38 is not a ticket to heaven, but instead it is the beginning of a walk with God. Our salvation comes through Jesus Christ and not just Acts 2:38. I fear that many who have submitted to Acts 2:38 are going to hear depart from me. If we walk with God we will not bicker about high standards of morality, but instead in a loving way we are going to live the best life we can.

Typical response. Standards are not a heaven and hell issue.

good samaritan · #**252** 04-07-2015, 11:31 AM

Everything can be a heaven or hell issue.

good samaritan · #**253** 04-07-2015, 11:33 AM

I choose not to place my focus on simply is it heaven or hell, but is it expedient for me as a Christian.

shazeep · #**254** 04-07-2015, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Typical response. Standards are not a heaven and hell issue.

i really like KBTWs reflection there; nothing wrong with personal standards, obviously--but corporate standards may actually indicate a problem, prolly come from fear, and are a "human good" attempt to resolve what a human considers problematic, where God may not. I'd like to hear arguments or examples to the contrary.

Fionn mac Cumh · #**255** 04-07-2015, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

I choose not to place my focus on simply is it heaven or hell, but is it expedient for me as a Christian.

Thats fine. But when some pastor tries to make it a heaven or hell issue for the whole body, then thats where I have a problem. Especially with extra biblical standards. The whole standard culture is such a load of bunk.

Esaias · #**256** 04-07-2015, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

Acts 2:38 is how to be born again. If that is the only depth of our walk with God then we are going to come up short. Some pentecostals are nothing more than easy believers. Acts 2:38 is not a ticket to heaven, but instead it is the beginning of a walk with God. Our salvation comes through Jesus Christ and not just Acts 2:38. I fear that many who have submitted to Acts 2:38 are going to hear depart from me. If we walk with God we will not bicker about high standards of morality, but instead in a loving way we are going to live the best life we can.

Has revival EVER prevailed without a high degree of separation from the world and it's ideas of what's okay? EVERY major revival resulted in high "standards".

What's funny is the world tends to recognize holiness more clearly than a lot of professing Christians.

Jermyn Davidson · #**257** 04-07-2015, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias

Has revival EVER prevailed without a high degree of separation from the world and it's ideas of what's okay? EVERY major revival resulted in high "standards".

What's funny is the world tends to recognize holiness more clearly than a lot of professing Christians.

I don't think Azusa resulted in high standards-- at least not in the way I think of standards as extra-biblical, man-made, garbage that the Apostle Paul said showed self-sacrifice but was worthless.

Esaias · #**258** 04-07-2015, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I don't think Azusa resulted in high standards-- at least not in the way I think of standards as extra-biblical, man-made, garbage that the Apostle Paul said showed self-sacrifice but was worthless.

They were wesleyan holiness people. The UPC would be considered practically apostate by their standards.

good samaritan · #**259** 04-07-2015, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fionn mac Cumh

Thats fine. But when some pastor tries to make it a heaven or hell issue for the whole body, then thats where I have a problem. Especially with extra biblical standards. The whole standard culture is such a load of bunk.

I don't make it a heaven or hell issue, although I wonder. We have standards for the ministry of our church. If a person wants to be in a public leadership role then they would have to comply. As for whether they go to heaven or hell, that is between them and God.

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The whole standard culture is such a load of bunk.

I don't think this is the way Jesus would refer to people's convictions.

shazeep · #**260** 04-07-2015, 03:42 PM

amen--but people's convictions are not standards, as we understand the term. i am more convicted by the day that Standards are simply Laws, in the age of Grace. All they can possibly do is divide on the one hand, and insulate the standards adherent from God on the other. Any standard you could name displays this. Pick one.