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Old 02-02-2008, 01:05 PM
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Lisa, I like your well balanced view, posted above, but your first phrase about grace is totally foreign to me. I won't go there, because it would rquire new thread on grace.
Whereas Lisa's first statement about grace is exactly the kind of teaching I grew up with.

I understand her point well, and believe it.
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Old 02-02-2008, 01:18 PM
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Lisa, I like your well balanced view, posted above, but your first phrase about grace is totally foreign to me. I won't go there, because it would rquire new thread on grace.
thanks.. and as far as grace... i would express my views more...but I totally believe in backing by scripture.. so it would take me some time... time that I don't have right now.

I just don't believe in dismissing the law because we are now under Grace. Law was the schoolmaster... anything under the law which was sin would never become "ok" under Grace... God doesn't work that way... we won't ever go backwards but always forward... a true relationship with Jesus under Grace will always require a deeper committment than being under law...because it is a heart issue.

Example:

1. You don't committ adultury under law... under grace...even looking upon a woman is adultry..because it is in the heart.

2. Tithing (10%) commanded of the old becomes you give your all as the Apostles did in the book of Acts.

The committment of the heart will require more of you than the law ever imposed.
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Old 02-02-2008, 01:31 PM
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I was just thinking this same thought while reading through some of the posts. Most of what is read and posted is filtered through personal belief systems no matter how they're arrived at.

When you have the diversity of posters, belief systems, personal experience and where people are at in regard to times and seasons in their own lives....... what they're going through presently or just come through ........ it colours their perspective and their thoughts regarding any issue as the thoughts are written down and recorded as "posts".

Interesting to me anyhow.
oh, I totally agree with you.. those view are brought about by so many influences... and coming from many different perspectives.

With raising my girls, I had to take a long hard look at my own personal views/convictions on pants. I couldn't find anything scriptural to back them... so I had to admit my mother's convictions had impacted my own...her convictions were cultural... and she burned every pair of pants I owned as a teen..she refused to let me wear them to bed. Even more difficult was coming to grips and realizing that my own personal issues with pants were related more to modesty. I can't impose my modesty guidelines on someone God had not convicted.. because it has to come from the heart... it isn't for me to decide.
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Old 02-02-2008, 01:32 PM
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Whereas Lisa's first statement about grace is exactly the kind of teaching I grew up with.

I understand her point well, and believe it.
whew....glad someone does.
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Old 02-02-2008, 01:53 PM
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Lisa, it's refreshing to have you posting here. Not just on this thread, but the forum as a whole. I miss your input around here.
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Old 02-02-2008, 01:56 PM
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Lisa, it's refreshing to have you posting here. Not just on this thread, but the forum as a whole. I miss your input around here.
thanks H.O. I've actually missed being here.. It has been fun to be back. however, this afternoon, I keep telling myself...get dressed, the gym closes at 6p.m. go, go, stop posting...lol So, logging off... later.
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Old 02-02-2008, 02:03 PM
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thanks H.O. I've actually missed being here.. It has been fun to be back. however, this afternoon, I keep telling myself...get dressed, the gym closes at 6p.m. go, go, stop posting...lol So, logging off... later.
I have to get to work. Ugh..........
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Lisa, it's refreshing to have you posting here. Not just on this thread, but the forum as a whole. I miss your input around here.
Hey! i already said that! oh well, go ahead...
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Bravehearts: Men in Skirts

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Well.... I'll comment.

Any group of "men" that includes "Aestheticterrorists" is bound to have an angeda. When your fashion styles are driven by political and social agendas then the end result is often not very useful.

However, when fashion is driven by the core cultural needs of a society (like modesty) and by the conditions of their environment, then the resulting cothing will tend to make more sense.

For example: In the Bronze Age (the days of Abraham through the Judges, roughly) men and women in the Levant wore robe and tunic style appeal. This made sense given the way the cloth was woven and provided garments that could be used for a variety of purposes. For example a cloak could be used as a long and cool sun shade during the day and pulled close or used blanket style for warmth at night.

Since both men and women had the same pastoral and nomadic lifestyle their garments were similar in cut, but differed in stylist embellishments - for example the veil (Genesis 24:65). If you went into the family tent to grab a cloak you would have been able to readily discern which cloaks belonged to the female family members and which to the males. But the cut-out patterns and seams were often similar.

In the cities the needs were a bit different for the different classes of people. In Egypt, those of the trading class and aristocracy wore pleated skirts:

The higher up in rank you went, the "softer" (or some would say "more effeminate") the styles for the men were. In some ways this pattern has been carried down even to taday - just look at some of our "Rock Stars."

If the legendary aspects of Abraham's family life are even close to accurate, his father Terah was a merchant and artisan in Ur. Thus Abraham and Sarah probably looked something like this before taking up the life of wilderness nomads.



I dare say, if a couple appeared on the street in a downtown area today they would not be called "cross dressers" at all, but rather the man's masculine features would be seen to be emphasized by his apparel. Also note: unlike Egypt, the man's skirt which is pleated almost exclusively in Mesopotamia.

One point that obviously stands out is that when a man came of age- he was expected to wear a beard to provide a point of distinction about his manliness. None of this shaving of the face smooth as ordered by the Popes and as introduced into popular fashion by sexually promiscuious members of the aristocracy.
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