WOW!!! T F Tenney - "Let the Redeemed of the Lord DRESS SO"

Originally Posted by Brother Price

freeatlast, what is so sad is the fact that some refuse to see the clarity of scripture. I do not need to have a college education in order to twist, pervert, distort, and deny scripture. I can open the Bible and read it for myself, see what it says, and live by it.

I guess I will stay with my Bible. It may not be good enough for the carnal bunch. But, it is good enough for me.

I'm in complete agreement with the bolded statement.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

freeatlast, what is so sad is the fact that some refuse to see the clarity of scripture. I do not need to have a college education in order to twist, pervert, distort, and deny scripture. I can open the Bible and read it for myself, see what it says, and live by it.

I guess I will stay with my Bible. It may not be good enough for the carnal bunch. But, it is good enough for me.

This is lovely, Bro. Bill...those who do not understand or agree with you re 'standards' are carnal and twist, pervert, distort, and deny Scripture.

Interesting...

[Pragmatist]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

I'm in complete agreement with the bolded statement.

Me too. In fact, I think it makes it easier without any logical requirement.

Originally Posted by Barb

It is regrettable that somehow 'standards' have become such an issue that you now have a problem with church.

I suppose it is none of our business, but you did put it out there, SD...forgive me, but it saddens me.

For me, it is a direct correlation. When people say that there are multiple things in the Bible which are not there, I doubt the rest of what they say the Bible says as well... and when reading it for myself, I cannot find any of it in there, so I am supposed to pretend like the Bible says things that I do not believe it says (kinda like the Emperor's New Clothes)... and since I cannot find them in there, then that means I have been sent a delusion... it's a no-win situation.

I'm not offended by your comments... I see the point you are trying to make, but I find the issue important. Consistency is very important to me... and I have enough issues with religion without people adding to the Bible.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

For me, it is a direct correlation. When people say that there are multiple things in the Bible which are not there, I doubt the rest of what they say the Bible says as well... and when reading it for myself, I cannot find any of it in there, so I am supposed to pretend like the Bible says things that I do not believe it says (kinda like the Emperor's New Clothes)... and since I cannot find them in there, then that means I have been sent a delusion... it's a no-win situation.

I'm not offended by your comments... I see the point you are trying to make, but I find the issue important. Consistency is very important to me... and I have enough issues with religion without people adding to the Bible.

The consistency or lack there of, in others can be an excuse not to do what you read, know and understand. But I've always heard it said that "an excuse is the skin of a truth stretched over a lie". It's kinda like blaming the devil for everything. You know "the devil made me do it" kind of excuse. If the devil is so powerful as to be able to make us do things against our will, then how come a legion of devils could not keep the man in the tombs away from Jesus?
Standards for living are not bad in and of themselves, it's when they become a law unto salvation that problems enter the picture. There is no salvation in any other, that is no other than Jesus Christ. Not my works, or actions; those should come out of a genuine love for Him and obedience to His word, not because an organization mandates it.

Originally Posted by Brother Price

tv1a, who are you? I mean, who are you really? Better yet, here is a little something I wrote a while back on standards you will want to refute, but could never do so, unless you have a grand dislike for the Word.

Holiness Standards: The Commandment For The Believer's Life
By: William Michael Price

Grace and peace be unto you in the name our God and Father, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Why is it when preachers/other folks make this statement in their writings it somehow allows them to write some pretty outrageous and polarizing stuff thinking that, "Grace and Peace to you..." mitigates their responsibility to be civil, balanced, or reasonable.

I don't think one single UPC preacher alive has ever started or ended a letter with anything different...as though it is meant to soften the blow.

Brother, you are a bitter, backslidden, hypocrite of low breeding, destined for the lake of fire...but "Grace and peace be unto you in the name our God and Father, The Lord Jesus Christ" anyway.

Originally Posted by Barb

This is lovely, Bro. Bill...those who do not understand or agree with you re 'standards' are carnal and twist, pervert, distort, and deny Scripture.

Interesting...

I was listening to a CD from a West Coast conservative here lately and this is exactly the logic he used, "If you don't believe what I am preaching, you don't love holiness and the word of God!"

I just wish he hadn't said in his sermon that he believes in the Easter Bunny.

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad

For me, it is a direct correlation. When people say that there are multiple things in the Bible which are not there, I doubt the rest of what they say the Bible says as well... and when reading it for myself, I cannot find any of it in there, so I am supposed to pretend like the Bible says things that I do not believe it says (kinda like the Emperor's New Clothes)... and since I cannot find them in there, then that means I have been sent a delusion... it's a no-win situation.

I'm not offended by your comments... I see the point you are trying to make, but I find the issue important. Consistency is very important to me... and I have enough issues with religion without people adding to the Bible.

Well stated. This is a stark revelation when all of the sudden you find areas of major inconsistency in what the church believes.

Someone a while back called it the social doctrines of the UPC and I kind of agree.

I can see exactly what this young man is saying. I don't have the answer to how the church can shore up its walls, or at a minimum stick their finger in a hole in the levy, but he does have a point.

[NLYP]

Its amazing how my little threads always take off...wow 25 pages!

I personally think TFT is THE most brilliant mind in the Apostolic Movement!
He uses one thing that MOST of us dont...WISDOM in how to handle people that dont see it like us!
And THAT is why God is opening doors everywhere for him...and he is "cross polinating"!
Hats off to this great bishop, leader and one of my most trusted mentors in ministry!

And for those of you that dont agree with my assesment...its ok to be wrong....and dont really care what you think...
There....that plain enough?

[Brother Price]

Social Doctrine. Now I heard it all. I would hate to see those who call this a social doctrine or personal conviction, and how about ten years from now, how they then will view salvation. Seen it before, am seeing it now.