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Old 06-17-2012, 05:30 PM
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CC1, before I show you my question about John Roberts, I have something to say to you.

The fact that you did not realize I asked you a question tells me that you do not thoroughly read and comprehend posts before you answer with statements that are fashioned to condescend or try to make people feel guilty if your "lesser of the two evils" does not get voted to be president.

I am going to choose my words carefully since I consider you to be a brother in the Lord.

To change my screen name to Not Quite Ready may seem hilarious at best to you or amusing at the very least. To me it shows a lack of respect and is condescending for a sister in the Lord who has a few years on you. Is this how you treat your sisters in the Lord who may disagree with you on political matters in the church you attend? Or are people just afraid to give their point of view because they do not want to put up with such nonsense as this?


You have not refuted the facts that either PO or I have posted here. Instead you choose to condescend and call people who vote their conviction as “ridiculous and childish” because they recognize that voting for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil? Don’t you think that your little digs at people might just look “ridiculous and childish” in it’s own right?

Voting for the lesser of two evils is not a practical way for me to vote. I am tired of political lies, rhetoric, corporate pandering and grandstanding. I want to vote for something of leadership substance and I do not see leadership substance in either of the two.

You keep talking about judicial appointees coming from the next president’s nomination preference. Yet, I have shown to you that some rotten decisions have come out of conservative republican appointees.

Let me give you another example. Kelo vs New London, Connecticut.
This was the famous ruling dubbed the “eminent domain” ruling which gave governments the right to take private property and give it to other private entities whether they be corporations or private citizens. The gist of this ruling was that private property can be taken if it can be shown that it will go for public good such as revitalization, higher tax revenue etc.

The Supreme Court ruling was 5-4---3 Justices were Republican Appointed, 2 were Democrat appointed. The four Justices who dissented were Republican appointed.

Did the conservative republicans make a difference? In this case, the liberal democrat appointed Justices teemed up with the pubs to make the majority landmark case.

What is so terribly disturbing is that the redeveloper, after the ruling and $78 million dollars spent, could not get financing and the entire homesite is now a city dump.

So, your saying that liberal Justices nominated by Obama will destroy the country is not a viable reason to vote for Romney. They are a separate branch of the Government that interpret our Constitution.

I agree that Barak H. Obama is not concerned with our Constitutional law...but as it was reported, neither was G.W. Bush. http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin271.htm


Here is the page where I asked you the question. First post.
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...=39717&page=23
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Old 06-18-2012, 10:43 AM
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ron paul wins 21 of 25 delegates from iowa! what's going on po?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ected-in-iowa/
Not exactly the pothead group people have tried to make them out to be, huh? What a systematically organized group of people. In New Mexico, he picked up 6 delegates with 9 alternates. It was pretty much a vote of no confidence for Paul to pick up so many delegates in Romney's home state, don't you think? I'm not sure he will pick up any delegates in CA. I understand their delegates are selected at the primary ahead of CA state convention.

Now a lawsuit has been filed against the RNC, Chairman Rince Priebus and every state party chairman. 123 delegates and 40 (at last count) additional National Convention delegates have asked to join the lawsuit. They are forcing an injunction to have it clearly stated that they are not bound at the National Convention - RNC rules trump state rules.. They are also saying that by signing onto the lawsuit, delegates will have protection from the law against any further retaliation from the RNC or state parties.

They are also claiming that the party violated federal law by forcing them to sign Romney's loyalty affidavit, and this under threat of perjury. He wasn't even officially the nominee at the time. That makes it illegal. And that action, alone, makes me see how Romney is pushing his own thuggery while criticzing Obama - two peas in a pod. They are also claiming that the election has been fixed at the state conventions by changing ballots so that all the votes cast would count for Romney.

The lawyer representing the case, Richard Gilbert, of Gilbert & Marlowe, is saying that the public is not aware that the party is rigging the elections and commiting fraud. He is also saying he has 100 signed affidavits from delegates that support the allegations.

He also points out that Rule 11 does not allow for the party to change any of it's rules within 30 days of a convention, yet, they have been changing rules the day before, and in some cases, they have been changing the rules in the middle of a convention.

Their complaints also include cohersion, threats and violence by Romney's people - "This harassment included the use of violence, intimidating demands that delegates sign affidavits under penalty of perjury with the threat of criminal prosecution for perjury as well as financial penalties and fines if the delegate fails to vote as instructed by defendants rather than vote the delegate's conscience ...Defendants have used threats of violence, including dressing security type people in dark clothing searching out supporters of a candidate defendants do not approve of to harass and intimidate said delegates from voting their conscience."

They want the case heard quickly so that the rightful delegates will be seated in Tampa in August. 100 defendants have to be served, so a court date has not been set. Of course, where it actually stands is that the judge will have to decide, legally, if he will accept the plaintiff's claim that the nominating convention is a federal election. Traditionally the courts give the two parties leeway in managing their own affairs, i.e., whether state parties will decide to hold open or closed primaries.

Aside from the lawsuit, what else is gong on? What the delegates are saying is that they are not legally bound and will not vote for Romney on the 1st ballot. Their point is that you go into the early primary season thinking that candidate A is grand and after months of caucuses/primaries, you realize that candidate B is turning out to be a better candidate and want to vote your conscience and you should be allowed to switch loyalties.

Not voting on the first ballot could shake things up a bit, although, I'm still not sure that it would keep Romney from winning on the first ballot. You have to have won a plurality in 5 states to be on the first ballot and only Santorum has done that. The way the RNC has ramroded this whole election, I'm not sure this lawsuit will go anywhere. I hope that it does, because we saw the election fraud going on. I think it's high time to address it in a court of law, i.e., the illegal loyalty affidavit. That was very strong handed. They didn't follow the awarding of delegate rules in FL, AZ or NV - the winner-take-all needs to be addressed.

Another thing Paul's people want to accomplish, at Convention, is to promote Ron Paul's conservative principles. And I think we all knew that already.

They are planning on urging changes to be made by flooding the ballots. Among the changes - they want to discuss or overturn the Patriot Act, address smaller government, sound monetary policy (greater transparency from the central banks), increased Internet freedom, and of course, limited military intervention/presence internationally.

I'm interested to see what parts of those conservative principles Santorum wants to block by threatening to attend with his delegates to have a floor fight against Ron Paul.

On a side note regarding Rand Paul, he has stated that getting things done, mainly, his bill to audit the Federal Reserve, means he needs to stick with his party as he thinks he has a chance of getting something done that way. I am wondering how he even thought he got that far, with this bill, without his father?
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Here's the video put together for the law suit by the "Lawyers for Paul" The title is misleading because they are representing "all delegates" They also have a main web site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPt2n...raudremedy.com



Radio interview with the chief lawyer who is running the case.

https://www.youtube.com/user/WeThePeopleNetwork

Posting the Complaint once again, in case it was missed:

DELEGATES TO THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION V. RNC
http://www.toolsforjustice.com/1_COM...;28JPRx%29.pdf
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Not exactly the pothead group people have tried to make them out to be, huh? What a systematically organized group of people. In New Mexico, he picked up 6 delegates with 9 alternates. It was pretty much a vote of no confidence for Paul to pick up so many delegates in Romney's home state, don't you think? I'm not sure he will pick up any delegates in CA. I understand their delegates are selected at the primary ahead of CA state convention.

Now a lawsuit has been filed against the RNC, Chairman Rince Priebus and every state party chairman. 123 delegates and 40 (at last count) additional National Convention delegates have asked to join the lawsuit. They are forcing an injunction to have it clearly stated that they are not bound at the National Convention - RNC rules trump state rules.. They are also saying that by signing onto the lawsuit, delegates will have protection from the law against any further retaliation from the RNC or state parties.

They are also claiming that the party violated federal law by forcing them to sign Romney's loyalty affidavit, and this under threat of perjury. He wasn't even officially the nominee at the time. That makes it illegal. And that action, alone, makes me see how Romney is pushing his own thuggery while criticzing Obama - two peas in a pod. They are also claiming that the election has been fixed at the state conventions by changing ballots so that all the votes cast would count for Romney.

The lawyer representing the case, Richard Gilbert, of Gilbert & Marlowe, is saying that the public is not aware that the party is rigging the elections and commiting fraud. He is also saying he has 100 signed affidavits from delegates that support the allegations.

He also points out that Rule 11 does not allow for the party to change any of it's rules within 30 days of a convention, yet, they have been changing rules the day before, and in some cases, they have been changing the rules in the middle of a convention.

Their complaints also include cohersion, threats and violence by Romney's people - "This harassment included the use of violence, intimidating demands that delegates sign affidavits under penalty of perjury with the threat of criminal prosecution for perjury as well as financial penalties and fines if the delegate fails to vote as instructed by defendants rather than vote the delegate's conscience ...Defendants have used threats of violence, including dressing security type people in dark clothing searching out supporters of a candidate defendants do not approve of to harass and intimidate said delegates from voting their conscience."

They want the case heard quickly so that the rightful delegates will be seated in Tampa in August. 100 defendants have to be served, so a court date has not been set. Of course, where it actually stands is that the judge will have to decide, legally, if he will accept the plaintiff's claim that the nominating convention is a federal election. Traditionally the courts give the two parties leeway in managing their own affairs, i.e., whether state parties will decide to hold open or closed primaries.

Aside from the lawsuit, what else is gong on? What the delegates are saying is that they are not legally bound and will not vote for Romney on the 1st ballot. Their point is that you go into the early primary season thinking that candidate A is grand and after months of caucuses/primaries, you realize that candidate B is turning out to be a better candidate and want to vote your conscience and you should be allowed to switch loyalties.

Not voting on the first ballot could shake things up a bit, although, I'm still not sure that it would keep Romney from winning on the first ballot. You have to have won a plurality in 5 states to be on the first ballot and only Santorum has done that. The way the RNC has ramroded this whole election, I'm not sure this lawsuit will go anywhere. I hope that it does, because we saw the election fraud going on. I think it's high time to address it in a court of law, i.e., the illegal loyalty affidavit. That was very strong handed. They didn't follow the awarding of delegate rules in FL, AZ or NV - the winner-take-all needs to be addressed.

Another thing Paul's people want to accomplish, at Convention, is to promote Ron Paul's conservative principles. And I think we all knew that already.

They are planning on urging changes to be made by flooding the ballots. Among the changes - they want to discuss or overturn the Patriot Act, address smaller government, sound monetary policy (greater transparency from the central banks), increased Internet freedom, and of course, limited military intervention/presence internationally.

I'm interested to see what parts of those conservative principles Santorum wants to block by threatening to attend with his delegates to have a floor fight against Ron Paul.

On a side note regarding Rand Paul, he has stated that getting things done, mainly, his bill to audit the Federal Reserve, means he needs to stick with his party as he thinks he has a chance of getting something done that way. I am wondering how he even thought he got that far, with this bill, without his father?
I need a secretary to proof read for me.

Corrected typos:

"Reince" Priebus

criticizing

committing

coercion

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(Shout) HEY MITT! YOU NEED A GREATER VISION!



http://rightonweekly.com/shout-hey-m...reater-vision/
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Glad to see Joel Pollack at Breitbart.com finally saying something about the election. Seemed like the new editor, Ben Shapiro, couldn't bring himself to vet Romney.

So, Joel is right and I asked this on Twitter the other day - Would Brietbart have vetted Romney? Yes, I believe he would have been honest and done that.

RightOnline in Review: What Would Breitbart Do?

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On the other hand, Americans are fed up with both parties, and neither presidential candidate will emerge from this election with a mandate to pursue sweeping changes--even though drastic changes are needed.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...-Breitbart-Do?
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(Shout) HEY MITT! YOU NEED A GREATER VISION!



http://rightonweekly.com/shout-hey-m...reater-vision/
Oh my! How in the world did he even get the lead if 64% do not think he is the best candidate???? Sounds screwy to me.
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Why are the american people reduced to selecting the lesser of the two evils?
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Oh my! How in the world did he even get the lead if 64% do not think he is the best candidate???? Sounds screwy to me.
That is what some of delegate lawsuit is covering - voter fraud. And yes it does sound rather messed up, to say the least. I am totally frustrated with both parties. I can tell the difference between the two. I guess it depends on which side performs the less abortions.
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Why are the american people reduced to selecting the lesser of the two evils?
We are taught that is what we will get and we live with it. And people get in your face and bully you if you don't play along.
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