Apology to World

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

There are factions of Islam all over the world who interpret and use Islam as justification for violence. How many versions of this do you need to hear?

I want to hear you admit that all of the collective and mis-applied teachings of Islam worldwide do not and cannot and never have matched the levels of violence on your own streets.

Sez the Prophet in a Hadith:

None of you should remain in a place where a person is being killed unjustly. For the curse of Allah (God) descends on anyone who is present and did not defend him

violance on the streets of America have nothing to do with Christianity or Islam. That is what is known as a red herring argument

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

violance on the streets of America have nothing to do with Christianity or Islam. That is what is known as a red herring argument

Right!

[Walks_in_islam]

That's right. Islam has nothing to do with violence (not "violance" did you flunk spelling or did I 'flunk grammar'?) on American streets. SO: A suggestion is to spend at least as much time working on solving the problems and eliminating the violence on your own streets as you do discussing the violence in Islamic countries. At least until the violence on your own streets drops below the level of violence in all 34 islamic countries in the rest of the world combined.

With that said: Neither Christianity nor Islam were the focus of this topic. The focus of this topic was a well-deserved apology to the world for promoting violence on the streets of the world and using others as proxies to carry out that violence THEN using violence to quell the promoted violence THEN pretending that the violence of others can come anywhere near the violence on your own streets THEN doing nothing about the violence on your own streets while discussing violence on the streets of others.

That the topic changed to something else is a red herring argument of the highest order. It is also hypocracy of the highest order. I am not surprised to see you in the middle of either.

Perhaps you would do better in a Christian forum discussing Christian topics. This particular topic is political in nature and since you are pentecostal, statistically belong to an all-white church, have never travelled around the world, stay as far away as possible from the poor and those who do not look or talk like you, and have never actually "mingled" with publicans and sinners, you are probably not qualified to have or join a discussion of a broad political nature.

Pick one you are qualified to add 'value' to, like "Christian Economics 101: Spending more time raising money to teach the Gospel than actually teaching the Gospel". OH, here's one: "Pentecostal Values: A specific list of why all other christians but me are going to hell" would certainly invite some other views and perhaps open up your beliefs to being picked apart. I had no problem picking your so-called "obedience of the bible" apart and Allah help you if someone who actually HAS a Bible in their possession starts in on your judgemental ways. Amusement of the highest order.

SO: Either way your "you started it" argument is juvenile. You sound like one of my kids. Your open criticism of Islam started back about 2-3 years before I ever got here. You begged for and earned everything you got and your tantrums and whining and lost temper after you got e-spanked for it (more like slapped down) reflect who you really are.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

violance on the streets of America have nothing to do with Christianity or Islam. That is what is known as a red herring argument

[Walks_in_islam]

You are telling me, who lived in Houston and New Orleans and near Birmingham (Birmingham is a real treat) that you do not have to live and worry about "random acts of violence"? I grew up there, lived from Fairbanks to South Texas, and have no patience for your spin or untruths, and no immediate need for the fertilizer that you dropped below.

Let ME tell YOU what is priceless:

Moving from a country where I had to set my alarm on my home or car every time I turned my back and moving to an Islamic country and not having to lock my door.
Not having to worry about some creep taking one of my children while they play outside. Walking the streets knowing they are free of random thieves, druggies, rapists, con artists, and burglers.

Idle question: Did a bunch of middle school children get shot at a bus stop the other day? Where did that happen? Criminal on criminal? Something 'priceless' you want to comment on about that?

In 2006, there was a list of cities in the US whose violent death rate exceeded the violent death rate in IRAQ. 2006 was a bad year in Iraq. New Orleans was one of those cities. SO, in spite of what you "see on the news", you are statistically safer in wartime Iraq with active insurgency than in downtown Washington DC? Those are what the numbers say.

Spin YOUR tales and sell YOUR "priceless" fertilizer to someone who has never lived there (laughing)

Originally Posted by Newman

A FEW BIG DIFFERENCES between terrorism and street crime in United States...

1. Crime in the US is generally not motivated by religion; and

2. Crime in the US is often criminal on criminal; such as drug dealer wars; and/or often times the criminal and victim knew each other before the crime (so that one could have in many instances avoided being the victim of a crime by not hanging around people without scrupples).

Consequently, MOST people in the United States are not worriedd that they and/or their family might be killed indiscriminately because a car bomb went off at the marketplace or because they violated someone else's religious viewpoint.

Random acts of terror are harder to live with. Not having to worry about terrorism in one's community. PRICELESS

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

That's right. Islam has nothing to do with violence (not "violance" did you flunk spelling or did I 'flunk grammar'?) on American streets.

Wow...that's pretty sophomoric lol

[Walks_in_islam]

Haha no, THIS is sophmoric:

Prax: "..You flunked grammar or you just lack communication skills"..

THIS is merely a good comeback:

Wii: "..not "violance" did you flunk spelling or did I 'flunk grammar'?..

Plaintively calling out "you started it" (even if it has the cool word "precipitate" in the sentence) is below sophmoric. It's childish.

No matter how you justify it, once again, referring to a young child as a future terrorist, making lewd comparisons to "vaginas" and "vulvas", and posting animals with their tail up while stating that those with a certain faith "routinely have sex with goats" and "learn to have sex by pulling on each other within their own family" have no place here. They have no place on a non-christian site. You might be a holier than thou pentecostal but your language and conduct is worse than the worst of the drunks and druggies I used to run with. You are a disgrace to the christian faith (or any faith) and the reason YOUR answers are reduced to name calling and whining about 'who started what' is because inside you know how terribly shallow you are, you have nothing that you stand on or stand for anyway, so you are down to the bottom of your bag. Prax - reduced to childish catcalling. lol....

Your less than impressive attempts to play childish games with big words are even more pathetic. You have had nothing substantive to say since around mid-march (laughing) and even back then your (less than) piercing wit was underwhelming and unimpressive. Go where you can really make a difference and spend idle time discussing sideburn lengths or should mens hair touch the collar or not or hem lengths or whether or not it's 'biblical' to have a beard or mustache or whether a wife should wear a wedding band / makeup / trim her hair or whether the internet is evil or TV is evil or "worldly music" is evil or whether the antichrist is the Pope or the EU common market leader with your other pentecostal pals. There are dozens of potential paths (number of items on the list factorial) above to split the churches along these lines and this should keep you busy for at least a generation. As above you are underqualified for the task of participating in discussions of a broad political nature.

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Wow...that's pretty sophomoric lol

[oletime]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Wow...that's pretty sophomoric lol

hey prax is he denying mulsims dont like goats? because my son came back from iraq with one they recorded on night vision of an iraqi with his goat it was pretty sick to say the least!

[Walks_in_islam]

nothing your son could have brought back was or could have been as sick as the abu ghraib prison photos "herr" ole timer

Originally Posted by oletime

hey prax is he denying mulsims dont like goats? because my son came back from iraq with one they recorded on night vision of an iraqi with his goat it was pretty sick to say the least!

[oletime]

that depends we cant ask the goat, he was still tied up/busy ,so the only thing we have for evidence is many of the imates dont want to go back because the conditions there are better than at home from the reports ive read. with the possible exception of the ones who are being shipped to a resort community somewheres. they are prety excited scouting out for virgins kinda like santa claus making a list and checking it twice in between building suicide vests. no what i mean dude !

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Walks_in_islam

You are telling me, who lived in Houston and New Orleans and near Birmingham (Birmingham is a real treat) that you do not have to live and worry about "random acts of violence"? I grew up there, lived from Fairbanks to South Texas, and have no patience for your spin or untruths, and no immediate need for the fertilizer that you dropped below.

Let ME tell YOU what is priceless:

Moving from a country where I had to set my alarm on my home or car every time I turned my back and moving to an Islamic country and not having to lock my door.
Not having to worry about some creep taking one of my children while they play outside. Walking the streets knowing they are free of random thieves, druggies, rapists, con artists, and burglers.

Idle question: Did a bunch of middle school children get shot at a bus stop the other day? Where did that happen? Criminal on criminal? Something 'priceless' you want to comment on about that?

In 2006, there was a list of cities in the US whose violent death rate exceeded the violent death rate in IRAQ. 2006 was a bad year in Iraq. New Orleans was one of those cities. SO, in spite of what you "see on the news", you are statistically safer in wartime Iraq with active insurgency than in downtown Washington DC? Those are what the numbers say.

Spin YOUR tales and sell YOUR "priceless" fertilizer to someone who has never lived there (laughing)

Wii- Prax is right. It is really immaterial that there is violence in America (unrelated to religion) when we are talking about Islamic induced violence.

Nevertheless, I feel compelled to ask you why you compare statistics of a particular American city to all of Iraq rather than the cities in Iraq where there was actual fighting? What was the statistical rate of violence in all of America compared to all of Iraq? I assume we are talking about VERY DIFFERENT NUMBERS when we look at all of America which happens to be where most of America lives.

Is a Christian woman (without a head covering) who is not dabbling in drugs statistically safer in America or a Middle East country? Really?