Saddened by NY Grand Jury Decision To NOT Indict

[n david]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

BTW I suppose this won't matter to you but the guys in the video are Gracie brothers. Their family are the ones that developed Brazilian Ju Jitsu..which for the most part MMA submissions are based on

You're right, it doesn't matter since they have zero connection to the case.

[n david]

Originally Posted by n david

Whatever you want to call it, the cop put his arm around the man's neck, causing him to be unable to breathe. That resulted in stress being placed on the heart which caused the cardiac arrest.

One led to another.... and it all directly resulted from a thug in uniform.

Call it a choke hold, call it a headlock, call it a hug if you want. I'll call it negligent homicide. He should have known what his actions could lead to. I'll bet it wasn't his first use of excessive force, and it likely won't be the last.

Bump from near the beginning...

I don't place as much weight on the preexisting conditions as you guys, because with the hemorrhaging he would've died anyway from the stress placed on his heart.

The cop's actions - chokehold, neck compression, chest compression is what caused the cardiac arrest, not his asthma.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Did you watch the video? Yes or no?

Did you see the information the last time I pointed out what the word homicide means in a Coroners report? Yes or no? Please just let me know if I am wasting my time giving you information you refuse to consider..

I watched the video (all 40 minutes of it), these guys are not Medical Examiners, but they did show where a chokehold could've damaged the trachea if it wasn't done properly.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

We need the Pathologists report. I'm reading he died from a heart attack not asphyxiation ..lot of confusion out there and Biden did not help imo

I would like to see the report myself, that way I can come to my own conclusions.

[Jito463]

Originally Posted by n david

Then please enlighten me. When the primary cause of death is listed as compression of the neck and chest, it doesn't really mean that was the cause of death?

Talk about common sense...

I suppose the compression of the neck didn't cause the hemorrhaging in the victim's neck, eye and tongue. I bet it was the asthma which did that.

I've read this entire thread now, and repeatedly saw you accuse Praxeas of stating it was an asthma attack that killed him, when he never once wrote it was asthma. Not one time. He repeatedly pointed out the preexisting conditions in addition to the neck and chest compression which led to the heart attack. What I can't figure out is why you keep perverting his words? Is it incidental (just glossing over his posts) or do you have an agenda?

I'm not trying to help Praxeas here (he's more than capable of defending himself), I'm just befuddled by what I'm reading from you. It doesn't make sense to me.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jito463

I've read this entire thread now, and repeatedly saw you accuse Praxeas of stating it was an asthma attack that killed him, when he never once wrote it was asthma. Not one time. He repeatedly pointed out the preexisting conditions in addition to the neck and chest compression which led to the heart attack. What I can't figure out is why you keep perverting his words? Is it incidental (just glossing over his posts) or do you have an agenda?

I'm not trying to help Praxeas here (he's more than capable of defending himself), I'm just befuddled by what I'm reading from you. It doesn't make sense to me.

I'll clear this up later. I don't have time right now, as I'm getting prepped for the Christmas program at church, and it takes a long time to combine posts using the mobile app.

I didn't lie. I didn't mislead, nor did I pervert his meaning. It's semantics.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by n david

Bump from near the beginning...

I don't place as much weight on the preexisting conditions as you guys, because with the hemorrhaging he would've died anyway from the stress placed on his heart.

The cop's actions - chokehold, neck compression, chest compression is what caused the cardiac arrest, not his asthma.

Do you know what a hemorrhage is?

This may help you:
http://www.wisegeek.org/what-are-the...#didyouknowout

Example of a hemorrhage: nose bleed
People don't die of nose bleeds. People don't die of hemorrhages unless they are severe hemorrhages. I'm failing to see where the ME report cited that the hemorrhages were severe enough to lead to the kind of trauma you are declaring.

[n david]

Originally Posted by jfrog

Do you know what a hemorrhage is?

You guys really think I'm stupid, don't you? What a dumb, insulting question.

And yes, I do know what a hemorrhage and a petechial hemorrhage is.

smh

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

I watched the video (all 40 minutes of it), these guys are not Medical Examiners, but they did show where a chokehold could've damaged the trachea if it wasn't done properly.

Yea, except they kept on insisting that it would take an immense amount of force applied directly to the front throat to cause any real damage.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by n david

You guys really think I'm stupid, don't you? What a dumb, insulting question.

And yes, I do know what a hemorrhage and a petechial hemorrhage is.

smh

Did you know a nose bleed is a hemorrhage? And yet you want to act like a hemorrhage would have killed the guy with no other details?

"A petechial hemorrhage is a form of mild hemorrhage which causes distinctive markings known as petechiae. These markings take the form of small red to purple spots which can vary in size and distribution from a few tiny markings to an array which may look like a rash or abrasion. Petechiae can be caused by a variety of situations and conditions, and they can play a role in both forensic science and medical diagnosis."

I guess a petechial hemorrhage is going to kill the guy too.....