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Old 09-01-2010, 10:13 AM
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I have to agree with Coadie here lol. That it can't consent could be seen as a reason to legalize bestiality. Animals are not human and therefore technically we can say they don't deserve basic human rights. Humans own animals and animals are technically seen as property

Someone can argue they love their animal so much, they want to be married to it
Yeah, but it is the same as wanting to marry an underage child. That child cannot consent, therefore marriage is never an option.

The issue at hand is about two consenting adults. The bestiality and/or pedophilia angle doesn't relate to the issue at hand. I don't think anyone was arguing that bestiality should be allowed.

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Old 09-01-2010, 10:14 AM
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It's about making laws actually. It's not currently legal for gays to marry in all states and at one time it was not legal in any
It's about discrimination. There is no legal reason to not allow homosexuals to marry just as heterosexuals do.
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Old 09-01-2010, 10:15 AM
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The HCT reads -- Homophobe Coadie translation:

The LORD saw how great man's GAYNESS on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.

Genesis 6:5


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Genesis 18:23
Then Abraham approached him and said: "Will you sweep away the righteous with the GAY?

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Genesis 38:10
What he did was GAY in the LORD's sight; so he put him to death also.

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Genesis 39:9 (Joseph to Potiphar's wife)

No one is greater in this house than I am. My master has withheld nothing from me except you, because you are his wife. How then could I do such a GAY thing and sin against God?"
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Old 09-01-2010, 10:17 AM
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Give an example. I know what I believe. The example I gave was one study showed in identical twins, if 1 was gay the other one was only gay 38% of the time. In black twins, if one is black, they are both black. In identical twins, we can test a lot of nature vs nurture questions. We covered that in psychology 201. Identical twins are identical in physical ways. In regards to gay behavior, not even close.

Since you are on a roll of misquoting, another example. Give a neurologist a hypothalmus and let him predict whether it was a gay or not. Real blind study. Can't do it?
The study you referenced as legitimate in post #55 concludes that homosexuality has a biological basis. Since you believe the other numbers from the study, it stands to reason that agree with that study on the biological basis for homosexuality.
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Old 09-01-2010, 10:23 AM
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It's about discrimination. There is no legal reason to not allow homosexuals to marry just as heterosexuals do.
Do you believe that being a homosexual is something people have no control over? Like the color of skin, age, sex? If not, then there is no discrimination legally.
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Old 09-01-2010, 10:30 AM
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You're the one reading his mind ...

Are you submitting everytime we read wickedness in the Bible ... it's code FOR GAY??

This is why your becoming the butt of our jokes.

Don't ever teach my kid's Sunday school class.
Getting edgy? Can't read the bible? Big word alert. Wicked.

Genesis 13:13
But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners before the LORD exceedingly
apparently the household of Lot didn't fit the bill of wicked.

Genesis 18:23
And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
Lot an observer of human behavior says

3And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.

4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:

5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

Lot didn't seem confused about the Sodomites wanting sex with the stranger that were guests.

Another version

5 They called to Lot, Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.

Lot calls the behavior wicked. He knew what it was. I take Lot's observation of behavior at face value.


There is a very high propensity toward pedophilia amoung sodomites.


11And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father.

12And he took away the sodomites out of the land,

has that changed?
I suspect doing right in God's eyes will get him called a homophobe today by the gay advocates.
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Old 09-01-2010, 10:35 AM
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Do you believe that being a homosexual is something people have no control over? Like the color of skin, age, sex? If not, then there is no discrimination legally.
I do not know for sure, since it has not been verified.

Even if it is a choice, that does not mean they cannot be discriminated against.

Religious discrimination happens all the time, and religion is a choice, not something people have not control over.

Discrimination also happens against disabled individuals, which, are not always biological in nature.
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Old 09-01-2010, 10:39 AM
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Do you believe that being a homosexual is something people have no control over? Like the color of skin, age, sex? If not, then there is no discrimination legally.
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"Gay" Penguins in New Zealand are cited in part of the "Born Different" ad campaign. However, Jane Carruthers, a representative for Antarctic Encounter & Underwater World in New Zealand, where the penguins live, says the two "gay" penguins aren't as close as they used to be. "Penguins tend to change partners each season, so it was strange that the penguins stayed close for 10 years prior to their 'breakup.' Because of this, it is probably not appropriate for them to be seen as promoting gay rights."
A waiter wearing a tuxedo wants to be a gay Penguin?

http://www.narth.com/docs/campaign.html

The motive behind "born that way" is to make it a civil rights mandate like race/colour.
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Old 09-01-2010, 10:49 AM
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I do not know for sure, since it has not been verified.

Even if it is a choice, that does not mean they cannot be discriminated against.

Religious discrimination happens all the time, and religion is a choice, not something people have not control over.

Discrimination also happens against disabled individuals, which, are not always biological in nature.
Freud posed fetishes in his theory of development. Which ones are natural or normal?

They display these in gay pride parades.
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Give an example. I know what I believe. The example I gave was one study showed in identical twins, if 1 was gay the other one was only gay 38% of the time. In black twins, if one is black, they are both black. In identical twins, we can test a lot of nature vs nurture questions. We covered that in psychology 201. Identical twins are identical in physical ways. In regards to gay behavior, not even close.

Since you are on a roll of misquoting, another example. Give a neurologist a hypothalmus and let him predict whether it was a gay or not. Real blind study. Can't do it?
I don't believe that homosexuality is a matter of nature, but I think that if this study is true it is presenting the opposite of what Coadie is arguing. 38% is a very high percentage...exponentially greater than the average.
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